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| Coalition to establish inquiry into section 18C of Racial Discrimination Act – politics live | |
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| Scott Morrison: If backpacker bills do not pass, they will pay 32.5% on January 1 | |
| Scott Morrison is asked, “if I’m a Swedish backpacker, what tax rate will I be paying if I’m here for a year starting January 1. I have an option of 32, 19, 10.5? | |
| You have to ask Joel Fitzgibbon because we’re offering 19 cents. Under the Labor Party they’ll be paying 32. 5. At the moment it is 32. 5. If these bills are not passed then what they will be paying is 32. 5. | |
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| Scott Morrison is continuing apace so hopefully I can cover most of it. | |
| Remember that when Labor and the Coalition did the deal on the some $6bn of savings, a month or so ago, there was great hope in government ranks that Labor would do a deal on superannuation – given Labor supports limiting generous superannuation concessions. | |
| Morrison is asked about his discussions with the crossbench. | |
| Discussions have been going on for some time in this issue. Remember, Labor only raised one concern with this package and that was on the issue of the lifetime non-concessional cap. That was the only issue. | |
| If you go back to the budget-in-reply, that was the matter that was raised by the leader of the opposition and that matter has been totally dealt with. So, all I can assume, from this latest announcement, is that Labor, once again, is choosing to play politics with a very serious issue, not addressing the substance. | |
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| The treasurer, Scott Morrison, and the assistant treasurer, Kelly O’Dwyer, are doing a press conference, pushing back at Labor over their superannuation overnight, which winds back some of the government’s latest package. | |
| Just to recap, Labor had yet to decide on its final position. | |
| Overnight, Labor proposed lowering the annual cap on non-concessional contributions to $75,000, lowering the high-income superannuation contribution threshold to $200,000 and opposing two other “loopholes”. | |
| The first “loophole” is the ability to make catch-up concessional contributions, which would mean that if individuals do not reach their $100,000 cap in any given year they can access their “unused” cap space on a rolling five-year basis. | |
| The second is a change the government proposed in the 2016 budget to allow all individuals up to age 75 to claim an income tax deduction for personal superannuation contributions. In September the government moved the start date of the deduction to 1 July 2018. | |
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| The Coalition will establish an inquiry into section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act by the parliamentary human rights committee. | |
| This has been flagged for the last few weeks. Malcolm Turnbull has pretty clear about it. | |
| The Institute of Public Affairs is quick out of the stalls. | |
| IPA welcomes inquiry on free speech #18C #auspol pic.twitter.com/9mrnvZvvMT | |
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| I consider Shalailah still with us ... | |
| The joint party room meeting adopted a proposed lifetime ban on refugees without further discussion. | |
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| .@PeterDutton_MP says the people smuggling trade hasn't gone away as he introduces new immigration legislation https://t.co/1B9WCntu2h | |
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| We are the most compassionate nation, says Barnaby Joyce. | We are the most compassionate nation, says Barnaby Joyce. |
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| The changing face of Labor’s asylum policy. | The changing face of Labor’s asylum policy. |
| By Mike Bowers. | By Mike Bowers. |
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| Lunchtime politics | Lunchtime politics |
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| In other news, the Parliamentary Friends of Shooting group is getting together tonight in the house. Bring your own Adlers. | In other news, the Parliamentary Friends of Shooting group is getting together tonight in the house. Bring your own Adlers. |
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| Senior Labor frontbenchers Chris Bowen, Anthony Albanese and Joel Fitzgibbon are all speaking about backpackers tax but I cannot see them so will report back shortly. | Senior Labor frontbenchers Chris Bowen, Anthony Albanese and Joel Fitzgibbon are all speaking about backpackers tax but I cannot see them so will report back shortly. |
| The deputy prime minister, Barnaby Joyce, is holding a press conference at 12.30pm. | The deputy prime minister, Barnaby Joyce, is holding a press conference at 12.30pm. |
| Labor’s Penny Wong is about to speak at the National Press Club on Hansonism, as previewed earlier in El Bloggo. | Labor’s Penny Wong is about to speak at the National Press Club on Hansonism, as previewed earlier in El Bloggo. |
| The Liberal MP and marriage equality supporter Tim Wilson has told Sky Labor and the Greens have stuffed up the plebiscite and he is “devastated”. | The Liberal MP and marriage equality supporter Tim Wilson has told Sky Labor and the Greens have stuffed up the plebiscite and he is “devastated”. |
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| There are a couple of points around costings regarding Labor’s policies on superannuation and backpackers tax. | There are a couple of points around costings regarding Labor’s policies on superannuation and backpackers tax. |
| Bill Shorten was asked about superannuation. | Bill Shorten was asked about superannuation. |
| Q: You went to the election with a Budget saving on superannuation of$ 3bn. You have announced a policy today that is a $4.5bn revenue increase. There is a $1.5bn difference between the policy you took to the election and the one you’re outlining today. Why the difference? | Q: You went to the election with a Budget saving on superannuation of$ 3bn. You have announced a policy today that is a $4.5bn revenue increase. There is a $1.5bn difference between the policy you took to the election and the one you’re outlining today. Why the difference? |
| Of course there is changes. Now the government has had to change a lot of its policies...You are saying that even if the government changes everything it does, we have to be static and not respond at all to the changing circumstances brought by a promised break in government. If the government put up its policies that it was said before the election, maybe I could see some of what you’re saying then. | Of course there is changes. Now the government has had to change a lot of its policies...You are saying that even if the government changes everything it does, we have to be static and not respond at all to the changing circumstances brought by a promised break in government. If the government put up its policies that it was said before the election, maybe I could see some of what you’re saying then. |
| Shorten was also asked about the cost of potentially dropping the proposed backpackers tax from 32.5% (not yet implemented) to the existing bill of 19% to Labor’s proposal of 10.5%. Is some of the superannuation savings going to cover the hole from the backpacker tax? | Shorten was also asked about the cost of potentially dropping the proposed backpackers tax from 32.5% (not yet implemented) to the existing bill of 19% to Labor’s proposal of 10.5%. Is some of the superannuation savings going to cover the hole from the backpacker tax? |
| Your question assumes that the government will stick to their latest position of 19%, doesn’t it? | Your question assumes that the government will stick to their latest position of 19%, doesn’t it? |
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| Peter Dutton is introducing the legislation for a lifetime travel ban now. | Peter Dutton is introducing the legislation for a lifetime travel ban now. |
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| Xenophon says hold your horses, Peter Dutton, no deal as yet on lifetime ban | Xenophon says hold your horses, Peter Dutton, no deal as yet on lifetime ban |
| Katharine Murphy | Katharine Murphy |
| I’ve just had a quick word to Nick Xenophon about whether he will support the government’s ban on asylum seekers entering the country – given that the immigration minister, Peter Dutton, has said a couple of times now that it doesn’t matter what Labor does on this issue, he has the numbers on the crossbench. | I’ve just had a quick word to Nick Xenophon about whether he will support the government’s ban on asylum seekers entering the country – given that the immigration minister, Peter Dutton, has said a couple of times now that it doesn’t matter what Labor does on this issue, he has the numbers on the crossbench. |
| Right now, I’m not certain that he does. Xenophon says he has told the government the NXT bloc will look at the forever ban proposal but this is a “conscience issue” for his parliamentarians. By this he means the NXT bloc may split on this issue. In any case, they are not yet set in stone about which way to go. Xenophon is sounding relaxed about his people voting in different ways on this proposal. | Right now, I’m not certain that he does. Xenophon says he has told the government the NXT bloc will look at the forever ban proposal but this is a “conscience issue” for his parliamentarians. By this he means the NXT bloc may split on this issue. In any case, they are not yet set in stone about which way to go. Xenophon is sounding relaxed about his people voting in different ways on this proposal. |
| In terms of Labor’s decision this morning to reject the proposal, here’s a couple of quick analytical thoughts. | In terms of Labor’s decision this morning to reject the proposal, here’s a couple of quick analytical thoughts. |
| It’s been obvious for a little while that the government’s drive-by attacks on Labor on the boats don’t resonate politically quite as much as they used to. It could be because the boats have stopped, voters are no longer so fixated on unauthorised arrivals making their way south. | It’s been obvious for a little while that the government’s drive-by attacks on Labor on the boats don’t resonate politically quite as much as they used to. It could be because the boats have stopped, voters are no longer so fixated on unauthorised arrivals making their way south. |
| This trajectory did happen during the Howard years, voters were fixated on the problem (aided by a government telling them constantly it was a problem), but once the “problem” was “fixed”, it was actually an electoral plus for Kevin Rudd in 2007, when he went to the election promising to wind back the punitive “Pacific solution”. | This trajectory did happen during the Howard years, voters were fixated on the problem (aided by a government telling them constantly it was a problem), but once the “problem” was “fixed”, it was actually an electoral plus for Kevin Rudd in 2007, when he went to the election promising to wind back the punitive “Pacific solution”. |
| So perhaps it’s just a case of the politics being moderately less toxic. Labor is certainly less worried than it used to be about standing up to the government on border protection, and the new shadow immigration spokesman, Shayne Neumann, has set quite a different tone in the portfolio to his predecessor, Richard Marles. | So perhaps it’s just a case of the politics being moderately less toxic. Labor is certainly less worried than it used to be about standing up to the government on border protection, and the new shadow immigration spokesman, Shayne Neumann, has set quite a different tone in the portfolio to his predecessor, Richard Marles. |
| But I also think there was no way on God’s earth that the left faction would have supported this latest policy foray by the government. I suspect Shorten, the leadership group, and the shadow cabinet knew that. It would have been fraught if Shorten had insisted on exercising a bit of “me too-ism” on the government’s proposal. Hence today’s result. Labor says nope, nope, nope. | But I also think there was no way on God’s earth that the left faction would have supported this latest policy foray by the government. I suspect Shorten, the leadership group, and the shadow cabinet knew that. It would have been fraught if Shorten had insisted on exercising a bit of “me too-ism” on the government’s proposal. Hence today’s result. Labor says nope, nope, nope. |
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