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Brexit deal: May at PMQs after Tory ministers meet to decide fate of agreement – Politics live
Brexit deal: May at PMQs after Tory ministers meet to decide fate of agreement – Politics live
(35 minutes later)
Peter Bone, a Tory Brexiter, says May is “not delivering the Brexit people voted for” if media reports of the deal are accurate. He says she will lose the support of Tory MPs and Tory voters.
PMQs is over. But Liz Kendall, the Labour MP, asks on a point of order if John Bercow knows when the Brexit statement will come. MPs have commitments tomorrow, she says. She says today they are just having a debate to mark the Prince of Wales’ 70th birthday. Couldn’t MPs debate the Brexit deal later today?
May says the deal will end free movement. It will deliver on the referendum vote, while protecting jobs.
Bercow says he has been led to believe that the statement will come tomorrow.
Corbyn quotes Dominic Raab saying he only recently became aware of how important the Dover-Calais trade route was. When did May become aware of how important this was?
May likely to make statement to MPs on the Brexit deal tomorrow, Bercow says.
May says the government is aware of this. She turns to Labour. Corbyn said you can’t stop Brexit, but Keir Starmer said you can. What is Labour policy?
He says MPs with commitments tomorrow could reschedule them. He says, when there is a statement, he will ensure MPs all get the chance to asks questions.
Corbyn says Labour respects the result of the referendum. But it does not respect this shambolic mess. If Raab is still in office this afternoon, can May tell him 10,000 lorries arrive at Dover every day. This “woeful ignorance” by a person in high office is disturbing, he says. He says the goverment wants to impose a false choice on parliament, between no deal and May’s deal. A sensible, alternative plan could bring together parliament and the country. Neither of May’s options are acceptable.
Ken Clarke, the Tory pro-European, says it used to be the case the parliament was informed first when policies like this were announced.
May says the “woeful ignorance” lies with Labour thinking you can build a better economy by increasing spending by £1 trillion and raising taxes. The government will not re-run the referendum, she says. She says the government will deliver Brexit, and the UK will leave the EU.
Bercow says we have in this country cabinet government. He says it would not be unreasonable to have the statement tomorrow, if cabinet is meeting this afternoon. But he says, if the statement can come later today, he would be in favour. He thinks statements should come as quickly as possible.
Corbyn asks May to confirm that the UK will be able to unilaterally withdraw from the backstop as the plan.
Tim Brake, the Lib Dem’s Brexit spokesman, asks May to confirm that her Brexit plan will leave the UK a rule-taker. Will May agree to a people’s vote?
May says there will be a backstop. But neither side wants it to be used. Any backstop must be temporary, she says.
May says the people voted to leave. The government will deliver on that, she says.
Corbyn says May’s “non-answer” shows that parliament won’t have that right. Liam Fox said he would have 40 trade deals ready to sign straight after Brexit. How many have been negotiated?
Martin Vickers, a Conservative, asks if it will be for the UK to decide on its own who fishes in UK waters after Brexit.
May says the government is negotiating on two fronts - to maintain existing trade deal, and for new ones. If Corbyn is interested in trade deals, he should sort out Labour’s policy. He said he wanted trade deals. But he also wants to be in the customs union. You can’t have both, she says.
May says after Brexit the UK will have control of its own waters.
Jeremy Corbyn says, after two years of bungled negotiations, from what we know of the government’s deal “it’s a failure in its own terms”. It does not deliver for the whole country. It breaches the PM’s own red lines. It does not support jobs and industry. And the government has not prepared for no deal. Will she still offer parliament a choice between her deal and no deal.
Labour’s Mike Kane asks about Asia Bibi, and asks if May agrees the UK should be a beacon for human rights.
May says Corbyn used to complain that the government had not reached a deal. Now it is close to a deal, he is still complaining. He does not want a deal, she says.
May says the government’s main concern is for the safety of Bibi. A number of countries are in discussion about providing a safe haven for her. It would not be right to say more at this state, she says.
Corbyn says May has not convinced many Tory MPs. He quotes from what Jo Johnson said last week about the Brexit talks being a failure of statecraft, the worst since Suez. He asks about the Sabine Weyand summary of the deal. (See 8.25am.)
Labour’s Rosena Allin-Khan says the Brexit deal will be bad for jobs and the economy. Will May put it to the people, either through a general election or a referendum.
May says she is getting a good deal for the UK.
May says the deal will be good for the economy. There was a referendum, and people voted to leave. That is what the government will deliver, she says.
Theresa May starts with the usual declaration that this morning she had meetings with ministerial colleagues. That prompts laughter.
Sir Roger Gale, the Conservative MP, asks if the government will publish details of the Brexit deal as soon as possible, so that MPs can comment on the facts.
She then says the cabinet will meet this afternoon to discuss next steps. This takes us closer to a deal. She says it will allow the UK to take back control of its laws, borders and money.
May says, if this deal is taken forward, the details will be published.
She will come back to the Commons to update MPs on the outcome, she says.
Iain Duncan Smith, the Tory Brexiter, says he will not be asking about Brexit “for now”. Instead he asks about fixed odds betting terminals. He says he was very proud the government decided to lower the maximum stake. Can May confirm, in the light of the amendment signed by Tory MPs, the £2 maximum stake will come into effect in April next year, not October.
May says she is planning Commons statement on the Brexit deal. But she does not say when.
May says the government is listening to colleagues. Jeremy Wright, the culture secretary, will make a statement later today.
This is from the BBC’s Joey D’Urso.
May gives a strong hint that the government will back down over fixed odds better terminals in the face of a potential Tory revolt and bring forward the reduction in the maximum stake to April 2019.
TIM BARROW, the UK's ambassador to the EU, just went into 70 Whitehall where cabinet ministers have been looking at the final text of a Brexit deal.
Labour’s Joan Ryan asks about knife crime. May says the government has protected police funding.
PMQs is starting soon.
Ken Clarke, the Tory pro-European, says one rumour about Brexit is that the government will publish a white paper later today with details of the Brexit deal. Will a statement be made when it is produced? This parliament must decide what will happen next. Parliament should not have to wait another 24 hours. He says he wishes May well for obtaining a majority for a course of action in the national interest.
Normally I post an immediate snap verdict, summarising the May/Corbyn exchanges. That is because, for many people, they are the highlight of PMQs, and they want to know who “won”. But today it is clear that what matters most is not May v Corbyn, but May v the Commons as a whole, and so I won’t post a verdict until the whole thing is over.
May says the cabinet will meet to look at the draft agreements produced by the negotiating teams. She will act in the national interest. And she says she will return to the House to explain the outcome.
Here is the batting order.
MPs should “when?” May just says she will return to the House.
As the Irish government keeps its response to the proposed Brexit deal low key, media analysts declared potential victory over Dublin’s insistence on a backstop to avert a hard border between the republic and Northern Ireland.
She says, subsequently, there will be briefings for MPs before the meaningful vote.
“If the emerging shape of the backstop is reflected in the final withdrawal agreement and – crucially – passed through the House of Commons, then the government can claim a huge success,” Fiach Kelly wrote in the Irish Times.
Labour’s Ruth Smeeth asks about universal credit, and its impact on claimants. May says the previous system did not work
The prospect of the UK remaining in customs arrangement with the European Union would be another win for Dublin as it would protect east-west trade between Ireland and Britain.
Kwasi Kwarteng, a Conservative, asks about a 100-year-old bellringer in his constituency, believed to be the oldest in the world. May says this is a considerable record and wishes the constituent happy birthday.
With an eye on a possible general election in the next few months the taoiseach, Leo Varadkar, and tanaiste, Simon Coveney, will have to tread a fine line between telling voters the Fine Gael-led government prevailed in negotiations without further provoking Northern Ireland’s Democratic Unionist party, which could sink the deal at Westminster.
Labour’s Yvonne Fovargue asks about funding for language teaching in her constituency. May says funding is set to be higher than at any time in history.
This is from the Sun’s Harry Cole.
Alec Shelbrooke, a Conservative, asks about investment in the railways. May says the investment is not millions but billions. But it is vital that Network Rail delivers on time.
🚨Cabinet source says Geoffrey Cox has told colleagues overnight that there is no material difference from a legal point of view to the backstop exit mechanism from three weeks ago... but he will be backing the deal regardless.
Labour’s Wes Streeting asks about a pregnant mother in his constituency shot with a crossbow. He says weapons like this should not be readily on sale.
This is from a DUP MLA (member of the legislative assembly). It has just been retweeted by the DUP leader Arlene Foster.
May says this is a terrible and tragic case. Crossbow are already under strict controls, she says, but she says the government will consider the case for tighter legislation.
Politics may be the art of the possible, but it is also the science of mathematics of votes
Mike Wood, a Conservative, asks about reductions in business rates. May says these changes should help local businesses.
Here is where we stand this morning. Quite often in politics you get a lot of noise, but not a lot of news. The airwaves have been full of people commenting on Brexit developments this morning, but the story has not moved on a great deal since last night.
Political journalists are watching the front bench closely as PMQs unfolds...
That said, here are the latest developments.
Penny Morduant and Geoffrey Cox just ducked out of #pmqs together...
Cabinet ministers have been visiting Number 10 to be briefed on the deal, but so far no one has resigned. That does not mean there won’t be resignations later. Resignations that involve flouncing out of Downing Street in a huff have not been in fashion since Michael Heseltine, and it worth remembering that the two cabinet ministers who resigned over the Chequers deal (David Davis and Boris Johnson) did so more than 48 hours after the cabinet meeting where they supposedly agreed it. But it does seem that, if there are resignations, they will be few, and they won’t involve the most senior figures. Here is one take from last night.
Geoffrey Cox just popped back in, had a chat with Dominic Grieve, and then left again #pmqs
Brexit deal latest: Cabinet sources say May’s pivotal 5 senior ministers - Raab, Hunt, Javid, Gove and Cox - will back it. Leadsom and Grayling also on board. McVey and Mordaunt so far not.https://t.co/Um0TUGS0tR
Oh! Now Penny Mordaunt has nipped out of #PMQs to chat to Attorney General Geoffrey Cox #plotthickens
Tory Brexiters have been escalating their anti-deal rhetoric. For example, see 9.35am and 9.42am. However, that is not necessarily a sign of strength. The Brexiters were hoping that the cabinet would kill Theresa May’s proposed deal, but that does not seem to be happening.
As far as I can see no sign of @EstherMcVey1 or @PennyMordaunt in #PMQs
Tory Brexiters have been talking up the chances of May facing a leadership challenge. Andrew Bridgen said that explicitly this morning. (See 8.52am.) And Jacob Rees-Mogg, chair of the ERG, said this on Newsnight last night.
Labour’s Chris Elmore says the Brexit deal will leave the UK weaker. Not his words, but Jo Johnson’s. Why won’t May admit she does not have support in parliament?
There comes a point at which the policy and the individual become so intimately connected that it will become very hard to carry on supporting the person promoting this.
May says parliament will have a lock on the new rules.
Until now Rees-Mogg has argued (with some but not total success) that the ERG’s gripe is just with May’s policy, not with May herself. Now it is getting more personal. But the Brexiters are still stuck with the problem that they probably don’t have enough votes to defeat May in a confidence motion, even though they almost certainly do have the numbers (48) to trigger a no confidence vote in the first place.
“There comes a point at which the policy and the individual become so intimately connected that it would be very hard to carry on supporting the person who is promoting this policy”- Jacob Rees-Mogg, chairman of the European Research Group@Jacob_Rees_Mogg | #newsnight pic.twitter.com/quLuYQOJkJ
The DUP has signalled that it will oppose the plan.
A Times reporting claiming that a very senior EU official said the EU would “retain all the controls” under the plan (see 8.25am) has been widely commented on in London. Brexiters have cited it as evidence for their theory that the deal will preserve the UK as a “vassal” state. But the Evening Standard, edited by the pro-European George Osborne, has adopted this line too. (See 11.28am.) Most MPs are reserving judgement until they see the text of the deal, which is expected to be released later this afternoon, perhaps at around 6pm.
Labour remains critical of the deal (this is what Jeremy Corbyn said about it last night) but the party’s business spokesman, Rebecca Long-Bailey, struggled this morning to explain why the party would vote against the plan if it really would keep the UK in the customs union and aligned to EU rules in the way people are reporting. (See 7.46am.) It is worth remembering what Jeremy Corbyn told the Labour conference in September. He said:
Let me also reach out to the prime minister, who is currently doing the negotiating.
Brexit is about the future of our country and our vital interests. It is not about leadership squabbles or parliamentary posturing. If you deliver a deal that includes a customs union and no hard border in Ireland, if you protect jobs, people’s rights at work and environmental and consumer standards - then we will support that sensible deal. A deal that would be backed by most of the business world and trade unions too.
Tom Newton Dunn, political editor of The Sun, reports that international development secretary Penny Mordaunt wants “further assurances” before she backs the Brexit deal.
Apparently she won’t unleash ‘fireworks’ at the cabinet meeting this afternoon, though.
I’m told Penny Mordaunt is awaiting further assurances before she puts her name to the Brexit deal, having now read it and seen PM. But allies warn “don't expect fireworks today” from her.
Here is the Evening Standard’s splash. The Standard, of course, is edited by George Osborne, the remain-voting Tory who was sacked as chancellor by Theresa May.
Today’s @EveningStandard: EU takes back control pic.twitter.com/Vm558iP4tg
Five months after resigning from the government over Brexit, former justice minister Phillip Lee says he cannot vote for the deal when it comes before parliament.
Speaking on the BBC’s Victoria Derbyshire show, Lee insists that it should go to a people’s vote, saying:
Where we’re going to end up is not where was promised. This is political fraud, and I’m not putting my name to it.
If the public, having read the deal, having understood that Northern Ireland is going to be treated differently, having understood that we’re going to be taking the obligations but not the benefits of EU membership...
If they understand all that and vote for it, then I’m a democrat and I’ll respect that. None of that appeared on the side of a bus in 2016.
‘This is political fraud and I am not putting my name to it,’ @DrPhillipLeeMPon why he is calling for a public vote on the final #Brexit deal.The Cabinet is set to discuss the draft agreement.https://t.co/BBWw9tnm6D pic.twitter.com/rREXX99mmW
Michel Barnier will not be the person briefing EU ambassadors today on behalf of the EU, Schinas says.
Q: If things happen in London, and through the EU meeting today, will there be further updates?
Schinas says yes. There could be announcements today or in the coming days.
Q: Does the text include a Northern Ireland-specific backstop plan?
Schinas says he is not able to comment at this point.
Q: If the UK cabinet or parliament reject this deal, is there the time or the willingness to reopen negotiations?
Schinas says he will not speculate on that.
Schinas is now taking questions.
Q: You did not mention Brexit in your opening remarks. Can you tell us what has been agreed, and what are the next steps?
Schinas says the negotiators have been working intensively on a withdrawal agreement and a future partnership document. Michel Barnier, the EU’s chief Brexit negotiator, briefed ambassadors on this. The cabinet will meet this afternoon. And the EU will brief member states this afternoon.
He says the EU is not commenting on the moment. But it will brief when it is able to. “So stay tuned,” he concludes.
In Brussels the European commission’s chief spokesman, Margaritis Schinas, is holding his regular briefing. You can watch a live feed here.
I’m monitoring it for Brexit news.
This is from my colleague Jessica Elgot.
Dominic Grieve says he can't vote for the deal if it is as briefed in Sabine Weyand's briefing note. “I could not look my constituents in the eye and say this would be a better deal than the one we have as a member of the EU."
