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Andrew Wilkie: Howard, Blair and Bush should front international court – politics live Standard & Poor's lowers Australia's credit outlook from stable to negative – politics live
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Here is a snippet from the S&P statement:
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Standard and Poor's moves Australia's credit outlook from stable to negative
The ABC is reporting credit ratings agency Standard & Poor’s has lowered Australia’s credit outlook from stable to negative on its triple A credit rating “as the political uncertainty extends”.
So the key point here is it is not a lower credit rating but it is a warning that the credit rating is on watch.
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Great kid.
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If they speak, Xenophon says will talk to Katter about the following: manufacturing jobs, boosting the agricultural sector, “how do we ensure that the regions develop, how to ensure that manufacturing in this country is not hollowed out”.If they speak, Xenophon says will talk to Katter about the following: manufacturing jobs, boosting the agricultural sector, “how do we ensure that the regions develop, how to ensure that manufacturing in this country is not hollowed out”.
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Nick Xenophon says his focus is the steel industry.Nick Xenophon says his focus is the steel industry.
Q: Do you believe the budget will have to be radically overhauled given the make-up of the senate and many of these measures may not get through? Q: Do you believe the budget will have to be radically overhauled given the make-up of the Senate and many of these measures may not get through?
I think the inevitable consequence of the election result - and this affects both sides of politics - is to to move the country to the political centre. I think that is a good thing. I think the inevitable consequence of the election result – and this affects both sides of politics – is to to move the country to the political centre. I think that is a good thing.
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John Howard is speaking on the Chilcot report at 1pm.John Howard is speaking on the Chilcot report at 1pm.
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Nick Xenophon has said he is keeping in touch with other crossbenchers including Bob Katter and Jacqui Lambie.Nick Xenophon has said he is keeping in touch with other crossbenchers including Bob Katter and Jacqui Lambie.
He wants a “clear national interest test when it comes to our foreign investment”.He wants a “clear national interest test when it comes to our foreign investment”.
He makes the point that any deal he makes with Malcolm Turnbull would be in consultation with Rebekha Sharkie:He makes the point that any deal he makes with Malcolm Turnbull would be in consultation with Rebekha Sharkie:
Unlike some other micro-parties we have seen in the parliament, we do things differently. We have a strong consultative approach.Unlike some other micro-parties we have seen in the parliament, we do things differently. We have a strong consultative approach.
(This goes to previous criticism of Xenophon caucusing “in the mirror” while shaving. This is the new Nick.)(This goes to previous criticism of Xenophon caucusing “in the mirror” while shaving. This is the new Nick.)
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Andrew Wilkie: Howard, Blair and Bush should be in an international courtAndrew Wilkie: Howard, Blair and Bush should be in an international court
Andrew Wilkie on the 2003 Iraq invasion:Andrew Wilkie on the 2003 Iraq invasion:
We know this now more clearly than ever that the Howard government took us to war on a lie. Every time it said that Iraq had a massive arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and it was cooperating with al-Qaida it knew that that was not the case, that it was either clearly not the case or at best for them it was ambiguous. They took us to war on a lie. No wonder John Howard and Tony Blair and George W. Bush do stand accused of war crimes. I’d like them to see an international court. I would like them to defend their position and try to prove their innocence because all of those people who do accuse them of war crimes, I think make a pretty compelling case.We know this now more clearly than ever that the Howard government took us to war on a lie. Every time it said that Iraq had a massive arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and it was cooperating with al-Qaida it knew that that was not the case, that it was either clearly not the case or at best for them it was ambiguous. They took us to war on a lie. No wonder John Howard and Tony Blair and George W. Bush do stand accused of war crimes. I’d like them to see an international court. I would like them to defend their position and try to prove their innocence because all of those people who do accuse them of war crimes, I think make a pretty compelling case.
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Andrew Wilkie: no deal because more important to be a man of my wordAndrew Wilkie: no deal because more important to be a man of my word
Wilkie has been asked whether he will do a deal – notwithstanding his election promise to do no deals with a minority government.Wilkie has been asked whether he will do a deal – notwithstanding his election promise to do no deals with a minority government.
It seems we can’t avoid the election so we might as well go there. I have made it absolutely clear and I’m steadfast in this that I will not enter into any formal deal with any party to allow them to form government.It seems we can’t avoid the election so we might as well go there. I have made it absolutely clear and I’m steadfast in this that I will not enter into any formal deal with any party to allow them to form government.
I went to the 2013 election with that commitment. I went to the 2016 – this year’s election – with that commitment. It featured prominently in a lot of my advertising material, campaign material. And, as tempting as it is, as beneficial as it might be for me to enter into some sort of deal, more important, much more important, is that I be a man of my word.I went to the 2013 election with that commitment. I went to the 2016 – this year’s election – with that commitment. It featured prominently in a lot of my advertising material, campaign material. And, as tempting as it is, as beneficial as it might be for me to enter into some sort of deal, more important, much more important, is that I be a man of my word.
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Wilkie: the decisions to wage war are not made entirely on intelligence adviceWilkie: the decisions to wage war are not made entirely on intelligence advice
Andrew Wilkie did not talk about an Iraq invasion inquiry with Malcolm Turnbull in his recent chat but he made the point that the prime minister already knows his views.Andrew Wilkie did not talk about an Iraq invasion inquiry with Malcolm Turnbull in his recent chat but he made the point that the prime minister already knows his views.
I will make a point in the parliament of highlighting the Chilcot inquiry and its findings and try to use that as something to leverage off, to bring about an Australian inquiry. There have been two Australian inquiries. But of course the terms of reference of both of those inquiries were very narrow, they were basically prepared by the Howard government. And they both had some success in shifting the blame to the intelligence agencies. And, yes, there were problems withthe intelligence material that was provided to government. But decisions to wage war are not made entirely on intelligence advice. They’re based on the advice of a whole lot of people and a whole lot of stake holders. So we need a broader inquiry.I will make a point in the parliament of highlighting the Chilcot inquiry and its findings and try to use that as something to leverage off, to bring about an Australian inquiry. There have been two Australian inquiries. But of course the terms of reference of both of those inquiries were very narrow, they were basically prepared by the Howard government. And they both had some success in shifting the blame to the intelligence agencies. And, yes, there were problems withthe intelligence material that was provided to government. But decisions to wage war are not made entirely on intelligence advice. They’re based on the advice of a whole lot of people and a whole lot of stake holders. So we need a broader inquiry.
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Malcolm Turnbull is currently meeting with Queensland independent Bob Katter.Malcolm Turnbull is currently meeting with Queensland independent Bob Katter.
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Andrew Wilkie says John Howard and Alexander Downer need to be held to account
Wilkie is scathing:
Until we have an effective inquiry into the invasion of Iraq, until we do that, then people like John Howard and Alexander Downer and others won’t be properly scrutinised the and held to account.
Until we have a proper inquiry into the Iraq war, then we won’t learn the lessons to prevent or to help prevent such a disaster again in the future.
Until we have a proper inquiry into the Iraq war, we won’t fully understand the reforms that are needed in our parliamentary system to remove the unrestrained power from prime ministers to declare war and to have us join in in the invasion of another country.
It is true that the invasion of Iraq and the war that has happened ever since we we have been an active player in, a proponent for, is the biggest foreign policy and security blunder in this country’s history.
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Bali bombing, Lindt cafe siege were result of Iraq invasion – we need an inquiry
Andrew Wilkie:
The Bali bombing of 2005 would not have occurred if we haven’t have joined in in the invasion of Iraq. The Lindt cafe siege would not have occurred if we hadn’t helped create the circumstances for the rise of Islamic State, which would appear to have been a motivation for the person involved in that siege. I think the British have given us a really good exemplar of the sort of inquiry that we need in this country.
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Key crossbencher Andrew Wilkie says leaders during Iraq war have 'blood on their hands'
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The fact is that the invasion of Iraq and the start of a war that continues to this day, not only did it turbo charge al Qaida back then but it created the circumstances for the rise of Islamic State ... So the terror threat that we face in this country right now is a direct result of the decision by the Australian government under John Howard in 2003 to join in that invasion. Frankly, there are a number of political leaders who in my opinion have blood on their hands.
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Andrew Wilkie on Chilcot report: damning and every bit as relevant to the Australian government
It is a damning report. It is by far the best inquiry, the most robust and thorough inquiry that has yet been conducted in any of the coalition of the willing countries into the invasion of Iraq and the start of a war, which, frankly, continues to this very day. Now, the Chilcot inquiry into the behaviour of the British government and its findings are about the behaviour of the British government. But, as far as I can tell, all of the main findings are every bit as relevant to the US government under then president George W. Bush and the Australian government, under then prime minister John Howard.
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Peter Dutton: We are victims of our own success
Let’s file this in the #youknowitmakessense category.
“In part, I think we are victims of our own success,” he said.
The fact that we stopped boats, got children out of detention, we’re cancelling visas of bikies and others to make our community a safer place and essentially the issue had gone off the radar.
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Greens want parliamentary approval when Australia participates in any war
Greens senator Scott Ludlam wants an inquiry into Australia’s participation in the Iraq war in light the Chilcot review. This is something the Greens have asked for before.
The Greens will also re-introduce their war powers bill as soon as parliament returns, requiring parliamentary approval when Australia participates in any war.
Our own decision makers must be held to account for their involvement in the conflict and our parliament given the power to decide when we go to war ...
The report confirms that UK leaders lied to the public about their reasons for going to war. We must now ensure that those leaders that led to Australian engagement in the conflict, particularly then prime minister John Howard, are held to account.
The Greens call on the government to initiate an urgent independent inquiry into Australia’s involvement in the Iraq war. The failures highlighted in the Chilcot report are not isolated to the United Kingdom alone and Australia must urgently consider the role it has played in this disastrous military intervention.
The report also illustrates the critical need for the parliament to have the power to decide when to deploy Australian troops to overseas conflict. The only way to be sure there is accountability and scrutiny is for the parliament to decide.
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Turnbull: I am confident of forming government in our own right
The full Malcolm:
At the moment, and I can just say to you that I am very confident, very confident indeed that we will form government. We will form a majority government in our own right but I am, of course, talking to the crossbenchers as well, as I would do regardless of what our own numbers in the House amounted to.
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Brisbane champion, that's enough about you ...
I have more words from Malcolm Turnbull, who loves all members of the Liberal party.
We have the full quotes now from Turnbull and that swing in Queensland he was talking about? It was a swing in Brisbane. He likened the success of the Brisbane MP, Trevor Evans, to his own in Wentworth. And then, well, he turned the conversation to Me.
You [Evans] were preselected late in the day, as you know, and this is a marginal seat. You’ve made it less marginal, I might say. And over time you can build on that.
I mean I did the same thing in Wentworth, actually. It was the most marginal seat in NSW in 2007 and now it’s got a solid majority. So, over time, the electors will get used to you, you know, and they will become even more fond of you. They will become even more fond of you than they are now.
But the volunteers have done a great job so I want to thank you all for your effort. It is a very, very big achievement. Can I just add something else. It was particularly important in this election, it’s always important but our opponents ran a very, very aggressive ground campaign. Very aggressive ground campaign, you know, they had the big Medicare lie, which was, you know, they were pushing very hard directly, you know, person to person. The robocalls and text messages and so forth.
So we needed, more than ever, strong, grassroots support, strong support from volunteers on the ground. And you guys delivered that and delivered it very, very effectively here in Brisbane where, as you know, we’ve had a swing to the party, which is a phenomenal achievement.
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This is our latest summary from Ben Raue, our election analyst.
70 Coalition66 Labor2 Coalition likely to win (Chisholm and Cowper)2 Labor likely to win (Cowan and Hindmarsh)5 others5 extremely close (Capricornia, Flynn, Forde, Gilmore, Herbert)
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Malcolm Turnbull has taken a leaf out of Bill Shorten’s book to do a victory lap of sorts around the Queen Street mall in Brisbane. He met with the new MP for Brisbane, Trevor Evans, the MP for Ryan, Jane Prentice, the MP for Bonner, Ross Vasta, and the MP for Bowman, Andrew Laming. They also had a lot of the volunteers and apropos Katharine Murphy’s piece, he notes that grassroots volunteers are the key to elections.
He says the swing to the party was a phenomenal achievement in Brisbane.
He says he is very confident that the Coalition can form a majority government in their own right.
I am talking to crossbenchers as I would do regardless of what the numbers in the house amounted to.
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