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Presidential debate: Clinton-Trump race tight as hour approaches – election live Presidential debate: Clinton-Trump race tight as hour approaches – election live
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In the house:
The Trump pool reporter, Time magazine’s Zeke Miller, sends a list of people spotted in the room:
Mark Cuban (who appears to be seated in the front row)
Dan Malloy
Jesse Jackson
Andrew cuomo and Sandra Lee
Reince and Sally Priebus
Donna Brazile
Don King
Rudy Giuliani in conversation with Sheldon Adelson
Eliot Engel
Chuck Schumer
Steve Israel
Mike Flynn
One of the Baldwin brothers with a Trump button
Bill de Blasio
Ray Washbourne
Charles Rangel calling out to Don King “welcome home, welcome home, we missed you.”
Mike Pence sitting up front
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Video streams
Twenty minutes or so to go. Here are live video streams of the action, via Reuters and PBS:
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Mona Chalabi
Donald Trump could have an inherent advantage in this presidential debate purely because his speaking voice is a couple of notes lower than his opponent Hillary Clinton’s. Don’t take my word for it (you probably wouldn’t if I was reading this aloud) - this is based on a study into human voice pitch research conducted in 2012. The methodology couldn’t be more relevant to this debate.
In the study, 10 women and 10 men were recorded saying the phrase “I urge you to vote for me this November” - a sentence that’s about elections and yet is politically neutral. The researchers then manipulated the sounds of the recordings to be lower or higher and played them to a bunch of men and women who were asked which hypothetical candidate they’d vote for. They found that male and female leaders with lower-pitched voices (ie those that are more stereotypically masculine) were preferred by both men and women.
Here’s how the authors interpreted the results: “This bias could be a consequence of lower-pitched female voices being perceived as more competent, stronger, and more trustworthy … [and] in the case of men’s voices, men with lower-pitched voices are larger, stronger, and more aggressive.”
The findings can be corroborated by any woman who has ever spoken in a meeting.
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We’ve asked for your favorite music to fact-check to. (Is this turning into your favorite Ramones to fact-check to? Hampstead’s not so far from Forest Hills...)
Here’s a winner:
.@TeeMcSee if you're going to listen to the Ramones when you fact check, maybe Bonzo goes to Bitberg might work https://t.co/59YkGuB6zT
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It's debate time
If you’re just joining us – welcome to our live-wire coverage of the first presidential debate of the 2016 general election.
Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are scheduled to take the stage at Hofstra University in Hempstead, New York, at 9pm ET. The debate will last 90 minutes and be moderated by Lester Holt, host of NBC Nightly News. Clinton has won a coin flip and will take the first question.
The Commission on Presidential Debates has announced three amorphous topics for debate: America’s Direction, Achieving Prosperity and Securing America. So … anything, basically.
What must the candidates do this evening? In one version of the prevailing punditry, Clinton must avoid feeding voter doubts about her trustworthiness, while Trump must avoid coming across as a massive [redacted]. Sense a double standard? You’re not alone.
The goal for the candidates, of course, is to capture those voters who have yet to make up their minds, especially those living in swing states like Florida and Ohio and Pennsylvania. Such a voter may not react to the same thing the crowd reacts to, the campaigns react to or, needless to say, the media reacts to. Watch and judge for yourself, America ... and the world.
They’re going to start soon. Both candidates arrive onstage as practiced debaters, though Trump does not have any experience facing just one other person. He participated in a dozen primary-season debates this cycle, while Clinton participated in nine … plus the two dozen she showed up for in 2008.
Thank you for reading, and please join us in the comments!
Brb getting Oreos.
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Here’s Clinton aide Philippe Reines – best-known among journalists as the state department spokesman who told a reporter to fuck off – playing Trump in a debate prep session:
There are multiple Trumps. But only one Philippe. (h/t @jmpalmieri) pic.twitter.com/I5cY3QW40B
Re-upping from before:
In Clinton mock debate, Philippe Reines wore red tie & did "the cobra" -- a hand gesture Trump often makes, per aide pic.twitter.com/qEgIDzy75u
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Clinton won tonight’s coin toss – and will get the first question of the night:
Clinton wins coin toss, gets first question at tonight's debate: https://t.co/xKA6pkSdqH @SunlenSerfaty on #TheLead
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One hour to the opening bellOne hour to the opening bell
Here’s one way to look at it:Here’s one way to look at it:
tonight, we are pretty much sending Hillary Clinton to drill into a giant asteroid & nuke it from the inside before it can destroy the earthtonight, we are pretty much sending Hillary Clinton to drill into a giant asteroid & nuke it from the inside before it can destroy the earth
.@MELANIATRUMP on the scene for #debatenight #debates #Debates2016 pic.twitter.com/nsKnUO1Gld.@MELANIATRUMP on the scene for #debatenight #debates #Debates2016 pic.twitter.com/nsKnUO1Gld
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Hillary Clinton engages in some pre-debate trolling by tweeting footage of the 2011 White House correspondents’ dinner, in which Barack Obama skewered Donald Trump, who attended the dinner and who that year had become the foremost exponent of birther babble.Hillary Clinton engages in some pre-debate trolling by tweeting footage of the 2011 White House correspondents’ dinner, in which Barack Obama skewered Donald Trump, who attended the dinner and who that year had become the foremost exponent of birther babble.
“Trump was so humiliated by the experience, they say, that it triggered some deep, previously hidden yearning for revenge,” wrote Roxanne Roberts, who was seated nearby, in the Washington Post.“Trump was so humiliated by the experience, they say, that it triggered some deep, previously hidden yearning for revenge,” wrote Roxanne Roberts, who was seated nearby, in the Washington Post.
“You didn’t blame Little John or Meat Loaf. You fired Gary Busey.These are the kinds of decisions that would keep me up at night." pic.twitter.com/njW7YAxf5I“You didn’t blame Little John or Meat Loaf. You fired Gary Busey.These are the kinds of decisions that would keep me up at night." pic.twitter.com/njW7YAxf5I
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Ninety minutes to go until the candidates take the stage. What’s your favorite fact-checking music?Ninety minutes to go until the candidates take the stage. What’s your favorite fact-checking music?
How’s everyone feeling out there tonight?How’s everyone feeling out there tonight?
pic.twitter.com/mOxAnNJimOpic.twitter.com/mOxAnNJimO
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Historic video of Trump, capless and tieless, exiting his vehicle, giving a thumbs up, giving a second, more vigorous thumbs up, and then walking away.Historic video of Trump, capless and tieless, exiting his vehicle, giving a thumbs up, giving a second, more vigorous thumbs up, and then walking away.
VIDEO: Donald Trump arrives at Hofstra University for #Debatenight.https://t.co/vZT1RazpjTVIDEO: Donald Trump arrives at Hofstra University for #Debatenight.https://t.co/vZT1RazpjT
In Clinton mock debate, Philippe Reines wore red tie & did "the cobra" -- a hand gesture Trump often makes, per aide pic.twitter.com/qEgIDzy75uIn Clinton mock debate, Philippe Reines wore red tie & did "the cobra" -- a hand gesture Trump often makes, per aide pic.twitter.com/qEgIDzy75u
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What would you ask the candidates?What would you ask the candidates?
What do you want moderator Lester Holt to ask? Tell us in the comments.What do you want moderator Lester Holt to ask? Tell us in the comments.
Here’s Dan Roberts with his list of 10 awkward debate questions to put Clinton and Trump on the spot:Here’s Dan Roberts with his list of 10 awkward debate questions to put Clinton and Trump on the spot:
For Donald TrumpFor Donald Trump
How can you be trusted with the nuclear codes?How can you be trusted with the nuclear codes?
Did you support US intervention in Iraq and Libya?Did you support US intervention in Iraq and Libya?
Why would Mexico pay for you to build a wall?Why would Mexico pay for you to build a wall?
Is there anyone you regret offending?Is there anyone you regret offending?
What evidence do you have against climate change?What evidence do you have against climate change?
For Hillary Clinton:For Hillary Clinton:
What single policy should your campaign be known for?What single policy should your campaign be known for?
Do you believe in globalisation?Do you believe in globalisation?
How would your counter-terrorism policy differ from Obama’s?How would your counter-terrorism policy differ from Obama’s?
Why are you so secretive?Why are you so secretive?
How would you reduce income inequality?How would you reduce income inequality?
Click through for Dan’s analysis of each question:Click through for Dan’s analysis of each question:
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Make or break: the defining moments of presidential debatesMake or break: the defining moments of presidential debates
David SmithDavid Smith
Here’s David Smith writing on watershed moments from presidential debates past:Here’s David Smith writing on watershed moments from presidential debates past:
1980: Carter accused Republican Ronald Reagan of planning to cut Medicare healthcare funding for the elderly. Reagan, who had complained that Carter was misrepresenting his positions on numerous issues, said with a chuckle: “There you go again.” The audience erupted. The duel attracted 80.6 million viewers, the most ever for a presidential debate, according to Nielsen, though Clinton v Trump is expected to shatter that record.1980: Carter accused Republican Ronald Reagan of planning to cut Medicare healthcare funding for the elderly. Reagan, who had complained that Carter was misrepresenting his positions on numerous issues, said with a chuckle: “There you go again.” The audience erupted. The duel attracted 80.6 million viewers, the most ever for a presidential debate, according to Nielsen, though Clinton v Trump is expected to shatter that record.
Read the full piece here:Read the full piece here:
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Take it from a guy who was in Congress for 60 years:Take it from a guy who was in Congress for 60 years:
Donald Trump couldn't pour piss out of a boot if the instructions were printed on the heel. Looking forward to this debate.Donald Trump couldn't pour piss out of a boot if the instructions were printed on the heel. Looking forward to this debate.
(Dingell, 90, is a Democrat.)(Dingell, 90, is a Democrat.)
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This is going to be a zoo, isn’t it.....
VIPs starting to filter into spin room. @mike_pence and @mcuban pic.twitter.com/MMExyIVyiM
It's going to be one of those nights....Don King setting expectations for Trump in media room ahead of #Debates2016 pic.twitter.com/jvSlkfuk30
Don King stomped a man to death because he owed him $600. https://t.co/ERJewIOvrY
That was in the mid-60s though. Something like $4,500 in current dollars.
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American politics is not for sa– oh, Mr Adelson. Right this way:
The Adelsons have some prime real estate in Trump section -- 4 seats, 3rd row#Debates2016 pic.twitter.com/VGYKeJwqET
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This is unprecedented for any of the primary debates or the conventions, as far as we experienced or heard about: the powers that be at the debate site are scanning for rogue hotspot connections and disabling them so they can charge people to use the local network.
Technicians patrolling #debatenight press file using this device to detect & shut down hotspots, so they can sell $200 wifi accounts instead pic.twitter.com/JzbkzlZR1g
Update:
there’s also a trigger warning placard outside the hall
. – For a different event, we’re informed.
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About 350 souvenir tickets to tonight’s debate for Hofstra University students misspell the Democratic nominee’s name:
Um, @HofstraU—please get your shit together and, I dunno, SPELLCHECK THE NAMES OF THE #debatenight participants?! IS THAT SO MUCH TO ASK? pic.twitter.com/AsUnJjApNH
Hofstra University spokeswoman Karla Schuster said in a statement emailed to NBC 4 New York:
These tickets are not official tickets to the debate. They were printed at the last minute to create a souvenir for the students. We’ll be reprinting them for all those who won tickets.
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What will the first debate question be?
#ff @johnjharwood, who supplies precedents:
FIRST DEBATE QUESTIONS: 1960, to JFK - The VP has said you were naive and at times immature. Why do you think people should vote for you?
FIRST DEBATE QUESTIONS: 1976 to Carter: Your #1 priority is reducing unemployment. What specifically would your first step be next January?
FIRST DEBATE QUESTIONS: 1980, to Carter - What are differences between the two of you on the uses of American military power?
FIRST DEBATE QUESTIONS: 1984, to Reagan - In 1980 you promised to balance the budget. We’ve had bigger deficits. Do you have a secret plan?
FIRST DEBATE QUESTIONS: 1988, to Bush - What is it about these times that drives or draws so many Americans to use drugs?
FIRST DEBATE QUESTIONS: 1992, to Perot - What do you believe tonight is the single most important separating issue of this campaign?
FIRST DEBATE QUESTIONS: 1996, to Clinton - How would you define the difference in your view of the role of federal government w/Sen Dole?
FIRST DEBATE QUESTIONS: 2000, to Gore - You’ve questioned that Gov Bush has the experience to be president of US. What exactly do you mean?
FIRST DEBATE QUESTIONS: 2004, to Kerry - Do you believe you could do a better job than President Bush in preventing another 9/11?
FIRST DEBATE QUESTIONS: 2008, to Obama and McCain - Where do you stand on the financial recovery plan?
FIRST DEBATE QUESTIONS: 2012, to Obama and Romney - What are major differences between the two of you about how you would create new jobs?
Which was the best first debate question?
Which would you use tonight? How about:
FIRST DEBATE QUESTIONS: 2016, to Trump and Clinton: You’re the two most loathed presidential nominees in US history. Why do you think that is?
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Trump arrives at Hofstra
The reportorial pool attending Trump reports that he is on the scene now at Hofstra university. MSNBC had footage of him exiting an SUV and entering a building.
Anybody feeling butterflies yet?
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The Guardian’s Dan Roberts, Sabrina Siddiqui and Ben Jacobs are on the scene at Hofstra university in Hempstead, New York:
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Haters and losers and bears, oh my!
Trump tweeted this two years ago today: https://t.co/vT8oJdagRE
I wonder if I run for PRESIDENT, will the haters and losers vote for me knowing that I will MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN? I say they will!
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It’s that kind of night in America. (What is the Portland police department going to do if Trump wins the presidency? Send out a drunken driving advisory for every state of the union address, every Brady briefing room appearance, every time Trump walks out of the White House and gets his helicopter?)
If you are planning to consume alcohol or marijuana while watching #DebateNight please do not get behind the wheel. pic.twitter.com/g2Ib33M1aX
(@monachalabi)
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Trump directed erstwhile income to foundation – report
The Trump campaign has elected not to answer questions about suspect donations by the Trump foundation – seemingly for political purposes – or purchases by the foundation – seemingly to cover Trump’s personal costs, or even to settle lawsuits tied to Trump’s for-profit businesses.
We know all about the strange way the Trump foundation operates thanks to dogged reporting by David Fahrenthold of the Washington Post.
Late this afternoon, Farenthold published another bombshell: after Trump stopped giving money to his foundation years ago, it received millions in payments from companies that owed money to Trump or one of his businesses “but were instructed to pay Trump’s tax-exempt foundation instead, according to people familiar with the transactions”.
From the Post report:
In cases where he diverted his own income to his foundation, tax experts said, Trump would still likely be required to pay taxes on the income. Trump has refused to release his personal tax returns. His campaign said he paid income tax on one of the donations, but did not respond to questions about the others.
That gift was a $400,000 payment from Comedy Central, which owed Trump an appearance fee for his 2011 “roast.”
Then there were payments totaling nearly $1.9 million from a man in New York City who sells sought-after tickets and one-of-a-kind experiences to wealthy clients.
That man, Richard Ebers, bought goods and services — including tickets — from Trump or his businesses, according to two people familiar with the transactions, who requested anonymity because they were not authorized to speak about the payments. They said that Ebers was instructed to pay the Donald J. Trump Foundation instead. Ebers did not respond to requests for comment.
The gifts begin to answer one of the mysteries surrounding the foundation: Why would other people continue giving to Trump’s charity when Trump himself gave his last recorded donation in 2008?
Read the full piece here.