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Debate: Clinton says 'race often determines too much' in policing – live coverage | |
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Clinton hits Trump for 'dire negative picture of black communities' | |
Trump says “you need better relationships between the community and police.. there’s some bad things going on.. we need law and order and we need law and order in the cities.” | |
Clinton is still listening. Now she speaks. | |
“I’ve heard Donald say this at his rallies, and it’s really unfortunate that he paints such a dire negative picture of black communities in our country.” “There’s a lot we should be proud of.” | |
Clinton says “stop-in-frisk was found to be unconstitutional.” She says it was not effective. “It’s just a fact that if you’re a young African American man, and you do the same thing as a young white man, you’re more likely to be charged, convicted and imprisoned...” | |
“We can’t just say ‘law and order’. We need to come up with a plan.” | |
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Trump: African Americans and Hispanics are living in hell | |
Trump says Clinton won’t say “law and order.” “We need law and order in our country.” | |
Then he describes an inner-city hellscape: | |
African Americans and Hispanics are living in hell because it’s so dangerous. You walk down the street you get shot. | |
He says the country needs law and order. He mentions stop and frisk, says Rudy Giuliani in the audience and “it worked very well in New York.” | |
Clinton is looking at him evenly. | |
Holt follows up on stop-and-frisk. He says it was unconstitutional because it targets nonwhite men. | |
“No you’re wrong,” Trump says. “It went before a judge who was a very against-police judge.” | |
Holt: “The argument is that it causes racial profiling.” | |
Trump flatly denies the correlation. | |
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Mona Chalabi | |
The candidates are currently discussing racial justice in America. But some voters clearly have other priorities. When Pew Research Center asked what voters consider as “very important”, treatment of racial and ethnic minorities comes tenth on the list. | |
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Clinton: 'race often determines too much' | |
Holt brings up police shootings of black men and asks about healing along lines of race and racism. | |
“Unfortunately, race often determines too much,” she says. Where they live, how they’re treated in the criminal justice system. “We have to restore trust between communities and the police. We have to work to make sure that our police are using the best training, the best techniques, that they’re well prepared to use force... everyone should be respected by the law and everyone should respect the law.” | |
She says her platform would address criminal justice reform. “And we’ve got to get guns out of the hands of people who should not have them.” She refers to the gun epidemic. “We have to tackle the plague of gun violence.” | |
2.44am BST | |
02:44 | |
Trump says he’s opening a hotel on Pennsylvania avenue. “So if I don’t get there one way, I’ll get there another.” | |
Trump is ranting about the budget. We use the word ranting because his teeth are bared, he’s chopping the air with his hands and his voice is at high volume. | |
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Fact check: tax plans | |
Alan Yuhas | |
Trump claimed that his tax plan will be the largest cuts since Ronald Reagan and create jobs, while in his words Clinton’s would create a huge tax hike. | |
Trump’s tax plan would disproportionately help the wealthiest Americans, saving them millions of dollars and adding trillions to the national debt, according to an analysis by the Tax Foundation, a conservative thinktank. He would reduce the business tax rate to 15%, eliminate the estate tax (aka the “death tax”), which mostly affects wealthy inheritors, and would reduce revenue from taxes by about $5tn. According to the Foundation, the top 1% of earners would see a 10.2% increase to their incomes. | |
Clinton’s tax plan does not change tax rates for the middle class, but does increase taxes by 4% on people who have an adjusted income of more than $5m, as well as closing corporate loopholes. Only about 0.5% of small businesses in the US reported a profit of more than $1m in 2011, according to the US Treasury Department. Clinton would increase tax revenue by $1.1tn by taxing the top 1% of earners, increasing the estate tax and eliminating fossil fuel subsidies, and by implementing and a more complex tax code, according to the Tax Policy Center. | |
Trump has not proven that he pays any federal income tax, and did not deny that he doesn’t pay, saying simply that it would prove he’s “smart”. | |
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02:43 | |
Trump: “It’s about time that this country had somebody running it who has some idea about money.” He appears to be referring to himself. | |
Then he compares La Guardia unfavorably to Dubai, Qatar and Chinese airports. Then he lists all the infrastructure he would build. | |
“We don’t have the money because it’s been squandered on your ideas,” Trump says. | |
Maybe it’s because you haven’t paid your taxes, she says. Good line. | |
Clinton hits Trump for not paying people: | |
I’ve met a lot of people who were stiffed by you and your businesses, Donald... who you refused to pay when they finished the work that you asked them to do. | |
Clinton says there’s an architect in the audience who was not paid by Trump for his work. | |
Clinton: “Do the thousands of people who you have stiffed in the course of your business not deserve some kind of apology?” | |
Trump says the person probably did not do good work. | |
She points out he’s taken business bankruptcy six times.. “you even at one time tried to suggest that you would negotiate down the national debt. Sometimes there’s not a direct transfer of skills.. but sometime what would happen in business would be disastrous for government.” | |
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Manterruptions | |
Mona Chalabi | |
Notice how Donald Trump keeps on talking over Hillary Clinton? Social scientists around the country will probably be shrugging with a “go figure”. In 1975, two sociologists conducted a study by loitering in public places like coffee shops and drug stores with a tape recorder, listening to two-person conversations they overheard. They found men were responsible for 47 of the 48 interruptions they overheard. | |
A separate study in 2014 found pretty similar results. When men were talking to women, they interrupted 2.1 times over a three-minute dialogue - when they were talking to men, they interrupted 1.8 times on average. When women were talking to women, they interrupted even more though, 2.9 times per 3 minutes on average. But the women interrupted just once if their talking partner was male. | |
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02:40 | |
Amber Jamieson | |
Debating trade - one of Donald Trump’s biggest claims is that he’s against trade deals such as TPP and NAFTA - has created the most aggressive moment between the two so far, with Trump and Clinton both yelling at each other. But the winner of the spat depends on which side you’re on. | |
On the right: | |
Author of Reclaiming the American Right: Lost Legacy of the Conservative Movement: | |
He's slaughtering her. | |
Conservative commentator AJ Delgado: | |
Trump is ON FIRE!!!!! #NAFTA #TPP | |
A Breitbart News reporter: | |
Wow.. Trump killing Clinton on NAFTA. She has no idea what to do except repeat B.S. talking points. | |
GOP strategist: | |
Trump is winning so far. The first 15-20 minutes are crucial.#debatenight | |
On the left: | |
Political junkie: | |
Donald Trump can't help himself. He's drunk, ractist uncle at Thanksgiving. #debatenight #debates | |
Progressive columnist: | |
How many women watching now are remembering men in their lives who yelled at them wouldn't let them talk? #Debates2016 | |
Slate editor: | |
I'm becoming a better parent tonight learning from Hillary Clinton's patience and even demeanor. | |
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Mona Chalabi | |
Media reports today have claimed that as many as 100 million people could be tuning in to watch this debate - a number vaguely attributed to “network executives and political strategists”. Wherever the number comes from, it really does seem to be epic by historical standards - is it though? | |
Nielsen, the market research company which tracks such numbers, looked at 50 years of household viewership for televised presidential debates (note, they’re looking at households though so it’s a slightly different measure). They found that the biggest debate was the one between Barack Obama and Mitt Romney on 3 October 2012 which attracted 46.2 million households. | |
And, as the candidates debate the economy, remember that viewers will have different attitudes about where the country is at. According to polling by Pew Research Center, Republicans are much less likely than Democrats to say that “economic conditions in the country are excellent” or “very good”. | |
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Clinton on Trump's taxes: 'there's something he's hiding' | |
Clinton gets the mic. She says candidates going back 40 years have released their returns. “So you’ve gotta ask yourself, why won’t he release his tax returns? Maybe he’s not as rich as he says he is. Maybe he’s not as charitable... third, he owes $600m to foreign banks... or maybe he doesn’t want the American people, all of you watching to know he didn’t pay any income taxes.” | |
Trump: “That makes me smart.” | |
Clinton: “Zero for troops, zero for vets.. it must be something really important, or terrible, that he’s trying to hide... I have no reason to believe that he’s ever going to release his tax returns. Because there’s something he’s hiding... were he ever to get near the White HOuse. What would be these conflicts? Who does he owe money to? | |
I made a mistake using private email. | |
Trump: That’s for sure. | |
Clinton: I take responsibility. | |
Trump: That was not a mistake. That was done purposefully. | |
She’s blinking at him. He may be in conspiracy territory here. | |
“As far as my tax returns, you don’t learn that much from tax returns, I can tell you.. the other things, I’m extremely under-leveraged.” | |
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Mona Chalabi | |
It’s ironic (or just plain awful) that voters who are faced with a choice between two of the most unpopular candidates in history must do so on a medium they also thoroughly distrust. | |
According to data published by Pew Research Center today, 70% of US adults believe the news media is having a negative effect on the country. By contrast, 50% say the same about banks and financial institutions. When analyzed by partisanship, those views are even stronger among Republicans than Democrats. |