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| Nationals call for import of rapid-fire Adler with restrictions – politics live | Nationals call for import of rapid-fire Adler with restrictions – politics live |
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| 10.51pm BST | |
| 22:51 | |
| Malcolm Turnbull has spoken to Bridge and Spida on Gold 92.5FM on the Gold Coast to discuss alleged union thuggery on the Commonwealth Games site. | |
| He is asked about David Leyonhjelm saying he felt deceived by the government on the Adler ban. | |
| Turnbull replied: | |
| Let me be very clear about this: there is no proposal, or contemplation, or possibility of any weakening of John Howard’s gun laws. The national firearms agreement is set in stone. | |
| The Adler shotgun is a category A weapon and can be widely bought by those with appropriate registration, he notes. | |
| What has been proposed by police ministers and justice ministers is that this classification be changed so its availability be more restricted. The police ministers have not been able to reach agreement on that ... which is why a year ago we stepped in and said ‘right, until you agree on the reclassification of this particular weapon, there will be an import ban on it’. And that import ban will remain until such time as the state ministers come to a landing on the reclassification. | |
| 10.46pm BST | |
| 22:46 | |
| Tony Abbott: No way on God's earth I would let Adlers flood the country | |
| Abbott, Adlers and anxieties. | |
| Katharine Murphy reported: | |
| Tony Abbott has challenged Malcolm Turnbull to find “another deregulatory measure” to win the Liberal Democratic party senator David Leyonhjelm’s vote on restoring the building and construction commission and take gun control definitively off the table. | |
| Abbott told Guardian Australia on Tuesday evening there was “no way on God’s Earth” he would have allowed eight-shot Adler guns to “flood into the country” while he was prime minister. | |
| Abbott said he had moved to ban the weapons when he heard the guns were being imported, detecting the “anxiety” of police and security agencies – and the ban had then been subjected to a sunset clause because of what he termed “pushback in the Coalition” – not because of any agreement with Leyonhjelm on non-related migration legislation. | |
| The pushback was from the Nationals, including three very senior members and officials who were on a shooting trip when they heard about the Adler ban in 2015. | |
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| at 10.46pm BST | |
| 10.26pm BST | 10.26pm BST |
| 22:26 | 22:26 |
| Mark Coulton and other National MPs are worried that the current debate is not based on evidence but on emotion. | Mark Coulton and other National MPs are worried that the current debate is not based on evidence but on emotion. |
| It is my deep frustration Fran that this has become a major issue when it is really one of process. There is no one that I’ve heard that say the import of the Adler shotgun will make life less secure for the citizens of Australia. | It is my deep frustration Fran that this has become a major issue when it is really one of process. There is no one that I’ve heard that say the import of the Adler shotgun will make life less secure for the citizens of Australia. |
| He goes to the conversion kits available that can convert the five shot Adler to an 11 shot. Coulton says he finds it hard to believe that conversion is possible but if people do that, they are breaking the law and should be prosecuted. | He goes to the conversion kits available that can convert the five shot Adler to an 11 shot. Coulton says he finds it hard to believe that conversion is possible but if people do that, they are breaking the law and should be prosecuted. |
| Coulton takes issue with Fran’s formulation that Turnbull said the Adler ban was set in stone. | Coulton takes issue with Fran’s formulation that Turnbull said the Adler ban was set in stone. |
| He did not say the ban is set in stone...There will be no watering down of process were his words. | He did not say the ban is set in stone...There will be no watering down of process were his words. |
| 10.20pm BST | 10.20pm BST |
| 22:20 | 22:20 |
| Fran Kelly has been talking to National MP Mark Coulton, who says there are a lot of rapid fire guns that are quite legal. | Fran Kelly has been talking to National MP Mark Coulton, who says there are a lot of rapid fire guns that are quite legal. |
| He said Malcolm Turnbull and justice minister Michael Keenan were “spot on” with their messages. | He said Malcolm Turnbull and justice minister Michael Keenan were “spot on” with their messages. |
| This is about classification. | This is about classification. |
| Coulton says the proposals is to put the Adler from category A to B. This would be a strengthening of firearm laws around the Adler. He says the change in classification would mean only farmers and certain shooters would have access. | Coulton says the proposals is to put the Adler from category A to B. This would be a strengthening of firearm laws around the Adler. He says the change in classification would mean only farmers and certain shooters would have access. |
| Coulton says the Adler would mainly be used to shooting feral animals like pigs. | Coulton says the Adler would mainly be used to shooting feral animals like pigs. |
| Currently, farmers might use pump action or double barrel shotguns to do that job. | Currently, farmers might use pump action or double barrel shotguns to do that job. |
| But Coulton says there is demand for the Adler because it is seen to be reliable because it doesn’t jam, it is not expensive and has a reputation for efficiency. | But Coulton says there is demand for the Adler because it is seen to be reliable because it doesn’t jam, it is not expensive and has a reputation for efficiency. |
| 10.09pm BST | 10.09pm BST |
| 22:09 | 22:09 |
| Good morning | Good morning |
| With Malcolm Turnbull ratcheting up his rhetoric on maintaining the line on gun laws for the Adler shotgun, you could have started counting down the hours before his Coalition partner entered the debate. | With Malcolm Turnbull ratcheting up his rhetoric on maintaining the line on gun laws for the Adler shotgun, you could have started counting down the hours before his Coalition partner entered the debate. |
| Ding! | Ding! |
| Late last night, two National MPs came out. | Late last night, two National MPs came out. |
| Nationals MP for Parkes Mark Coulton told Latika Bourke of Fairfax: | Nationals MP for Parkes Mark Coulton told Latika Bourke of Fairfax: |
| I’m hoping we can still get this through because I know of one gun dealer who has hundreds on order waiting for this decision,” he said. | I’m hoping we can still get this through because I know of one gun dealer who has hundreds on order waiting for this decision,” he said. |
| Nationals senator Bridget McKenzie told Faifax: | Nationals senator Bridget McKenzie told Faifax: |
| It is the responsibility of the states and territories to classify and restricting its access as [Grant’s] approach is a positive and common sense step. | It is the responsibility of the states and territories to classify and restricting its access as [Grant’s] approach is a positive and common sense step. |
| The reason she says this is because the federal government is responsible for the import but the states are responsible for the classifications of guns. | The reason she says this is because the federal government is responsible for the import but the states are responsible for the classifications of guns. |
| The Howard-Fischer National Firearms Agreement requires the states to agree to the classification and before the federal government agrees to the import. | The Howard-Fischer National Firearms Agreement requires the states to agree to the classification and before the federal government agrees to the import. |
| If the states cannot agree, the import ban remains in place. | If the states cannot agree, the import ban remains in place. |
| The states and feds are meeting on Friday. | The states and feds are meeting on Friday. |
| The Abbott government put the ban in place with a sunset clause as part of a deal with crossbencher David Leyonhjelm. | The Abbott government put the ban in place with a sunset clause as part of a deal with crossbencher David Leyonhjelm. |
| Overnight Abbott’s chief of staff and Sky commentator Peta Credlin said: | Overnight Abbott’s chief of staff and Sky commentator Peta Credlin said: |
| “I want to say there was absolutely no deal between Tony Abbott and David Leyonhjelm in order to bring in the Adler shotgun,” she said. | “I want to say there was absolutely no deal between Tony Abbott and David Leyonhjelm in order to bring in the Adler shotgun,” she said. |
| “Let’s not forget we had gone through terror raid after terror raid and obviously Martin Place and Tony was adamant that it would not come into the country in the current classification that it was proposed for nor would it come in in the immediate aftermath of those arrest,” she said. | “Let’s not forget we had gone through terror raid after terror raid and obviously Martin Place and Tony was adamant that it would not come into the country in the current classification that it was proposed for nor would it come in in the immediate aftermath of those arrest,” she said. |
| Credlin suggested Abbott would still feel the gun would still have “no place in Australia”. | Credlin suggested Abbott would still feel the gun would still have “no place in Australia”. |
| Let’s get on with it. I am @gabriellechan on the Twits and @mpbowers is lurking. Stay with us during the day because there is plenty more, particularly around the Australian Building Construction Commission bill. While the Nick Xenophon Team voted for it in the house yesterday, they will seek to amend in the senate in coming weeks. | Let’s get on with it. I am @gabriellechan on the Twits and @mpbowers is lurking. Stay with us during the day because there is plenty more, particularly around the Australian Building Construction Commission bill. While the Nick Xenophon Team voted for it in the house yesterday, they will seek to amend in the senate in coming weeks. |
| Oh, an estimates are on again. Giddy up. | Oh, an estimates are on again. Giddy up. |
| Updated | Updated |
| at 10.11pm BST | at 10.11pm BST |