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| 'I did no deal with Leyonhjelm on guns,' says Tony Abbott – question time live | |
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| Plibersek to Turnbull: This morning it is reported that the member for Parkes has backed calls for the importation of the Adler shotgun saying “I am hoping we can still get this through because I know of one gun dealer who has hundreds on order awaiting this decision”. If the ban is set in stone as the PM said yesterday, why are so many members of his Government preparing for the weapon to enter Australia? | |
| Turnbull: | |
| There is a difference of opinion in the community about the appropriate classification but can I say, I am not aware of anybody that wants to leave the classification as it is. Every argument I have seen involves strengthening the classification and the debate is as to how far it should go. That is a legitimate point of view on which there are differences of opinion. What there should be no difference of opinion on is whether we want to stamp out illegal firearms. That is the real issue. | |
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| A government question to Christopher Pyne: Will the minister outline to the house the Government’s commitment to ensure the employer and employee organisations always act in the best interests of their members and that the rule of law is the norm o fbuilding sites across Australia and not the exception? | |
| Pyne quotes from an email by Dean Mighell of the ETU from the Trade Union Royal Commission: | |
| The former long term secretary of the ETU, the electrical trade union, he provided an email to the Royal Commission that he had sent to other State secretaries inVictoria in mid-to late 2010. | |
| In it he writes “Given that the Federal ALP is desperate for funds, surely we can say that we will help them if and only if they abolish the ABCC”.” Unions are donating to Federal Labor for outcomes, not promises”. | |
| When he was asked by the Royal Commissioner what unions were engaging in this process of donating to the ALP for outcomes not promises, he said “I believe that the CFMEU were again seeking the abolition of the ABCC as a policy outcome”. | |
| There we are. Surprise, surprise, it was done. It was done by the Leader of the Opposition when he was the minister responsible. | |
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| WA Premier Colin Barnett says he won't support lifting the ban of the Adler lever-action shotgun @9NewsPerth | |
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| Cathy McGowan to small business minister Michael McCormack: The Bureau of Statistics forward work program for 2016 and 17 includes a statement from the Australian statistician that the ABS will not have the resources necessary to undertake all the activities that fall within its legislative mandate. Significant for those of us who live in regional Australian. This program identifies regional economic data as an area ABS may cease or wind back. Given th egrowth and development happening in regional Australia including both of our electorates, we need more data, not less. Can the minister give the guarantee to the people in our electorates and the rest ofAustralia that rural and regional businesses and communities will receive - the ABS will receive the funding and resources it needs to give us people doing planning in rural and regional Australia the information they need. | |
| McCormack said the document referenced by McGowan is a planning document only. | |
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| Shorten asks Turnbull: Yesterday in the House the PM said in relation to the Adler shotgun, “It is not a temporary ban. It is permanent. It is set in stone”. But this morning when asked if it was only temporary, the PM responded, “It was always”. Does the PM want the ban to be permanent or should we just direct the question to the leader of the National party? | |
| As Turnbull stands to answer the question, Barnaby Joyce nods wildly. | |
| The position about the import ban is straightforward. It is there until the police ministers of the states and territories agree on their classification of lever-action shotguns and having agreed on it, then implement their measures. Then the import regulations will be adjusted to conform with the classification so agreed on. That is the case, that was the case with the ban imposed in 2015. It is the case with the ban that was imposed in 2016. | |
| So it is set in stone until it isn’t. | |
| Turnbull goes on to contrast Labor’s position opposing mandatory sentencing for illegal firearm crimes. Shorten wrote back to Turnbull today, maintaining his opposition to the illegal firearm bill. | |
| Shorten said “there is no convincing evidence to prove mandatory minimum sentencing acts as an effective deterrent”. That is his view now. Let’s look at the member for Gorton, back in 2011. He boasted of introducing, in respect of people smuggling, a mandatory minimum sentence of eight years ... the reality is the Labor party ... knows mandatory minimum sentences have a very important deterrent affect. They know that. | |
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| Another government question on the ABCC to treasurer Scott Morrison. | |
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| Shorten to Turnbull: It is reported today that the member for Warringah has said there was no way on God’s earth he would have allowed eight-shot Adler guns to flood into the country when he was PM. What position is the current PM taking to Coag on Friday? What decision does the PM want the states to arrive at? Does the PM want these weapons to come into Australia? | |
| Turnbull, with a wave to Tony: | |
| The honourable member is correct to remind us that it was my distinguished predecessor, the member for Warringah, who entered into the arrangements in 2015 to impose the 12-month ban on the importation of lever-action shotguns of more than five rounds. That was a decision of his government and it was the right decision. | |
| It would appear the prime minister’s position is a ban until the states decide how to categorise the Adler. The commonwealth has no position on the Adler. It is up to the states. | |
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| A government question on the ABCC. | |
| The PM appears to be losing his voice... | |
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| Labor and smugglers' cove: All he needs is a parrot | |
| Shorten to Turnbull: With a heightened terror threat, there is no way any serious Coalition Government, any government in the tradition of John Howard should be allowing rapid fire weapons on a very large scale into our country. Does the PM agree with that statement? | |
| Turnbull goes to the bill on mandatory sentencing for illegal firearm prosecutions. | |
| We workday and night to keep our country safe and we have asked you to support mandatory sentences and what does the Labor Party say? What does old Guthrie Featherstone [Mark Dreyfus] QC say? | |
| He says “We oppose mandatory sentences in principle”. That is what he says. The smugglers friend. They call it smugglers cove over there. All he needs is a parrot and he could be a pirate. | |
| The threat of illegal firearms is a threat to the safety of every Australian. The vast majority of gun crimes, the vast majority, over 90% are committed with illegal weapons. They come into this country illegally. They are smuggled, as hundreds of Glocks were smuggled during the Labor government. They come in here smuggled and we have to stop it. We know that strong mandatory sentences will send the message of deterrence. | |
| We have jumped the shark here. | |
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| We are running down the hill into question time. 3, 2, 1.... | We are running down the hill into question time. 3, 2, 1.... |
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| Abbott: I did no deal with Leyonhjelm on guns, it was internal | Abbott: I did no deal with Leyonhjelm on guns, it was internal |
| Katharine Murphy | Katharine Murphy |
| Tony Abbott’s been busy of late. Yesterday he entered the guns debate via social media. Then, later in the afternoon yesterday, we had a chat about gun control, which I wrote up last night, and Gabi has already linked you too. | Tony Abbott’s been busy of late. Yesterday he entered the guns debate via social media. Then, later in the afternoon yesterday, we had a chat about gun control, which I wrote up last night, and Gabi has already linked you too. |
| This evening he will appear on the ABC 730 program. Today he’s been stopped by journalists in the corridor. | This evening he will appear on the ABC 730 program. Today he’s been stopped by journalists in the corridor. |
| The theme is once again guns. | The theme is once again guns. |
| The former prime minister has told reporters what he told me last night: he did not do a deal with David Leyonhjelm to put a sunset clause on an import ban of the Adler shotgun. Abbott said to me late yesterday the sunset clause was imposed because of internal pushback within the government - meaning of course, the Nationals – which we’ve seen play out over the course of today. | The former prime minister has told reporters what he told me last night: he did not do a deal with David Leyonhjelm to put a sunset clause on an import ban of the Adler shotgun. Abbott said to me late yesterday the sunset clause was imposed because of internal pushback within the government - meaning of course, the Nationals – which we’ve seen play out over the course of today. |
| He’s repeated a phrase he said to me last night – there was no way on God’s earth his government was going to allow “perhaps tens of thousands of rapid fire weapons into the country.” | He’s repeated a phrase he said to me last night – there was no way on God’s earth his government was going to allow “perhaps tens of thousands of rapid fire weapons into the country.” |
| Tony Abbott: | Tony Abbott: |
| One of the reasons we have avoided a mass casualty terrorist event in this country is because it is very hard to get guns. It’s particularly hard to get guns that can do a lot of damage very quickly. If you allow rapid fire guns into the country under relatively loose conditions you obviously raise the danger. | One of the reasons we have avoided a mass casualty terrorist event in this country is because it is very hard to get guns. It’s particularly hard to get guns that can do a lot of damage very quickly. If you allow rapid fire guns into the country under relatively loose conditions you obviously raise the danger. |
| Asked whether Malcolm Turnbull should rule out allowing the gun to be imported, Abbott said: | Asked whether Malcolm Turnbull should rule out allowing the gun to be imported, Abbott said: |
| The federal government should do whatever it needs to do to ensure rapid fire guns are not readily available in this country. No-one needs a rapid fire gun other than perhaps our law enforcement agencies, the military, and just possibly people involved in serious pest extermination, but this idea that shooters generally should have access to rapid fire weapons is just crackers, and it should never happen as far as I am concerned. | The federal government should do whatever it needs to do to ensure rapid fire guns are not readily available in this country. No-one needs a rapid fire gun other than perhaps our law enforcement agencies, the military, and just possibly people involved in serious pest extermination, but this idea that shooters generally should have access to rapid fire weapons is just crackers, and it should never happen as far as I am concerned. |
| Abbott said farmers already have access to weapons allowing them to control feral animals. | Abbott said farmers already have access to weapons allowing them to control feral animals. |
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| Labor peanut gallery. | Labor peanut gallery. |
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| New best friends. On registered orgs. | New best friends. On registered orgs. |
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| Lunch time politics | Lunch time politics |
| Updated | Updated |
| at 3.42am BST | at 3.42am BST |
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| Labor: Kate Ellis urges radical childcare system overhaul | Labor: Kate Ellis urges radical childcare system overhaul |
| Paul Karp | Paul Karp |
| Labor’s early education spokeswoman, Kate Ellis, is speaking at the National Press Club. | Labor’s early education spokeswoman, Kate Ellis, is speaking at the National Press Club. |
| She has suggested the government should consider abandoning the current childcare subsidy system in favour of alternatives including universal childcare or the government directly purchasing places. | She has suggested the government should consider abandoning the current childcare subsidy system in favour of alternatives including universal childcare or the government directly purchasing places. |
| Ellis said the problem with the current “fee and subsidy system” is the government has no “levers of control” over the costs and availability of places. | Ellis said the problem with the current “fee and subsidy system” is the government has no “levers of control” over the costs and availability of places. |
| If the government directly purchased places, it would see how many places are required in a particular area and tender for their delivery. | If the government directly purchased places, it would see how many places are required in a particular area and tender for their delivery. |
| Done correctly this could place downward pressure on costs by introducing competitive tendering for the service delivery and could cap the out-of-pocket costs of parents. This would incentivise new childcare places being created where they are required. | Done correctly this could place downward pressure on costs by introducing competitive tendering for the service delivery and could cap the out-of-pocket costs of parents. This would incentivise new childcare places being created where they are required. |
| Updated | Updated |
| at 3.21am BST | at 3.21am BST |
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| Bowers calls this “a touch of the Quirrells”. | Bowers calls this “a touch of the Quirrells”. |
| Naughty Bowers. | Naughty Bowers. |