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Presidential debate: polls widen between Trump and Clinton – live Presidential debate: Trump and Clinton go head-to-head for the final time – live
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Here comes Chris Wallace, the moderator. He wishes everyone a good evening. And says “be quiet.”
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What can it mean
I will be handing over my Twitter account to my team of deplorables for tonight's #debate#MakeAmericaGreatAgain
Got her back? #DebateNight pic.twitter.com/GpNCJMEOGM
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Here is a live video stream of the debate hall:
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Welcome to debate night
If you’re just joining us – welcome to our live-wire coverage of the third and final presidential debate in the 2016 presidential contest. We’re almost home now.
Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump will face off starting at 9pm ET in Las Vegas. The debate will last 90 minutes, with Fox News’ Chris Wallace moderating.
If you’ve come this far, really, you know pretty much what to expect. There’ll be a first question, then an attack, and a counter-attack, and suddenly we’ll be nipples-deep in a swamp of misdirection, denial, insult and despair. Thank you for joining us.
The commission on presidential debates has announced six topic areas for this evening. (Somebody please remind us at night’s end of how many of these we actually get through.) The designated topics are: debt and entitlements, immigration, economy, the supreme court, foreign hotspots and fitness to be president.
Not on the list, once again: climate change.
We’ll have a video live stream atop the blog once the action starts.
Our Guardian reporting team tonight includes Paul Lewis, Sabrina Siddiqui and Ben Jacobs in Las Vegas; Alan Yuhas contributing his instant fact-check; Dan Roberts providing analysis; Mona Chalabi nailing down data; Nicky Woolf chasing breaking news; Adam Gabbatt chilling with Trump supporters; and Nicole Puglise checking in from a pop-up debate party the Guardian US is doing with lovely partners WNYC and Tumblr.
No TV, no problem: How to watch tonight's final presidential #debate (By @hwise) https://t.co/bVFFZTeycT
Read further debate preview coverage:
Woman on Vegas street: "Why all the police?"Cop: "For the debate tonight."Woman: "Debate? What debate?"
We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, and a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers... and also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of Budweiser, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.
Not that we needed all that for the trip, but once you get locked into a serious drug collection, the tendency is to push it as far as you can.”
– Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas (1971)
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We wanted to repost this logistical information in case it’s useful. We’ll have a live video stream here shortly before the event begins.
What: Third presidential debate
When: Starts at 9pm ET and runs 90 minutes with no commercials
Who: The nominees plus Fox News anchor Chris Wallace
Where: Thomas & Mack Center at the University of Nevada-Las Vegas
Why: ...
Format: The debate will consist of six 15-minute segments, approximately 15 minutes long. Wallace will open each segment with a question, after which each candidate will have two minutes to respond.
Clinton’s Twitter tweaked Trump today for mispronouncing the host state:
Spoiler alert: He was actually wrong. #Debate pic.twitter.com/EVaiJio993
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Mona Chalabi
If the last three presidential elections are anything to go by (and so far, they haven’t been), tonight’s debate is unlikely to have a huge impact on polling figures. After the DNC, Hillary Clinton got a significant boost in polling averages, as is often the case after the party conventions. Debates, on the other hand, especially final debates, tend to have a smaller impact on public opinion unless there is a very clear winner. That’s partly just a matter of timing - with just 20 days to go until the election, most people have made up their minds and so polls tend to fluctuate less.
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Here’s activist Tom Moran, inside Trump at a rally at the University of Nevada-Las Vegas earlier today:
Here’s new work by the New York-based artist Hope Gangloff:
And a worker paints a mask of Donald Trump at the Shenzhen Lanbingcai Latex Crafts Factory in Shenzhen, China (picture from Tuesday):
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Tough luck for whoever’s behind him:Tough luck for whoever’s behind him:
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar gets a front row seat for #Debatenight at @UNLV pic.twitter.com/mOGyYsLCESKareem Abdul-Jabbar gets a front row seat for #Debatenight at @UNLV pic.twitter.com/mOGyYsLCES
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Stick around for our post-debate panelStick around for our post-debate panel
Assuming we all make it through all 90 minutes of this, we have an invitation we’d like to extend.Assuming we all make it through all 90 minutes of this, we have an invitation we’d like to extend.
We’ve joined forces with WNYC and Tumblr to throw a Pop-Up Debate Party at Tumblr’s headquarters where, after the debate, we’ll be hosting a post-debate flash panel featuring:We’ve joined forces with WNYC and Tumblr to throw a Pop-Up Debate Party at Tumblr’s headquarters where, after the debate, we’ll be hosting a post-debate flash panel featuring:
Moderator: Nicholas Thompson, editor of NewYorker.comModerator: Nicholas Thompson, editor of NewYorker.com
Kai Wright, host of WNYC & The Nation’s United States of Anxiety Podcast Kai Wright, host of WNYC & the Nation’s United States of Anxiety Podcast
Jessica Valenti, Columnist at The Guardian Jessica Valenti, columnist at the Guardian
Tanzina Vega, National Reporter at CNN Tanzina Vega, national reporter at CNN
Spencer Ackerman, Editor at The Guardian Spencer Ackerman, national security editor at The Guardian
We’ll have a live video stream of the panel right here in the blog, so stick around! if you feel like. The Guardian’s Nicole Puglise sends this from the scene:We’ll have a live video stream of the panel right here in the blog, so stick around! if you feel like. The Guardian’s Nicole Puglise sends this from the scene:
Loving these buttons at this @GuardianUS / @WNYC / @tumblr debate party like the true millennial that I am pic.twitter.com/wq5qcq1GoJLoving these buttons at this @GuardianUS / @WNYC / @tumblr debate party like the true millennial that I am pic.twitter.com/wq5qcq1GoJ
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Trump’s running mate makes the supreme court argument – whatever you think of Trump, the argument to wavering Republicans goes, you certainly cannot accept the prospect of Hillary Clinton nominating supreme court justices.Trump’s running mate makes the supreme court argument – whatever you think of Trump, the argument to wavering Republicans goes, you certainly cannot accept the prospect of Hillary Clinton nominating supreme court justices.
Pence on CNN: "The Supreme Court is literally on the ballot"Pence on CNN: "The Supreme Court is literally on the ballot"
Happily for wavering voters everywhere, and ultimately for the republic, Arizona senator John McCain promised this week that Republicans would block any Clinton nominee anyway:Happily for wavering voters everywhere, and ultimately for the republic, Arizona senator John McCain promised this week that Republicans would block any Clinton nominee anyway:
I promise you that we will be united against any Supreme Court nominee that Hillary Clinton, if she were president, would put up,” he declared.I promise you that we will be united against any Supreme Court nominee that Hillary Clinton, if she were president, would put up,” he declared.
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What will they debate about?What will they debate about?
There are many forms of political punditry that seem always to miss the mark. Post-debate analysis comes to mind. Also, pre-debate analysis. Every description in advance of what we expect to happen onstage – the candidate chemistry, the tone, the issues they must surely discuss – those predictions seem unfailingly to miss.There are many forms of political punditry that seem always to miss the mark. Post-debate analysis comes to mind. Also, pre-debate analysis. Every description in advance of what we expect to happen onstage – the candidate chemistry, the tone, the issues they must surely discuss – those predictions seem unfailingly to miss.
So let’s give it another whirl. What will they discuss tonight? Moderator Chris Wallace of Fox News will have questions cued to the six topic areas announced in advance: debt and entitlements, immigration, economy, the supreme court, foreign hotspots and fitness to be president.So let’s give it another whirl. What will they discuss tonight? Moderator Chris Wallace of Fox News will have questions cued to the six topic areas announced in advance: debt and entitlements, immigration, economy, the supreme court, foreign hotspots and fitness to be president.
But the candidates’ preferred messages in recent days, especially as Trump is concerned, touch on different themes. Trump has been talking a lot about a rigged election and promised to “drain the swamp” of Washington. In recent days he has proposed ethics reform laws and congressional term limits. Meanwhile, Breitbart, Trump’s phantom media arm, published today (for the first time, it seems) the story of a former Arkansas broadcaster, Leslie Milwee, who says Bill Clinton sexually assaulted her in 1980. She’s invited to the debate.But the candidates’ preferred messages in recent days, especially as Trump is concerned, touch on different themes. Trump has been talking a lot about a rigged election and promised to “drain the swamp” of Washington. In recent days he has proposed ethics reform laws and congressional term limits. Meanwhile, Breitbart, Trump’s phantom media arm, published today (for the first time, it seems) the story of a former Arkansas broadcaster, Leslie Milwee, who says Bill Clinton sexually assaulted her in 1980. She’s invited to the debate.
Trump says that Clinton emails released by Wikileaks show she is part of an international cabal, with banks and the media, to destroy the country and enrich and empower themselves. He has contended that the state department offered the FBI a quid pro quo for declassifying certain Clinton emails just as they were to come in for public scrutiny. Any of these would-be scandals might be expected to come up.Trump says that Clinton emails released by Wikileaks show she is part of an international cabal, with banks and the media, to destroy the country and enrich and empower themselves. He has contended that the state department offered the FBI a quid pro quo for declassifying certain Clinton emails just as they were to come in for public scrutiny. Any of these would-be scandals might be expected to come up.
Clinton, for her part, may want to discuss the attack by Trump on his Republican colleagues; Trump’s increasingly wild talk about voter fraud; or the astounding outpouring since the last debate of women who have accused Trump of sexual misconduct or assault. (He denies all the claims.) Here is a video telling their stories:Clinton, for her part, may want to discuss the attack by Trump on his Republican colleagues; Trump’s increasingly wild talk about voter fraud; or the astounding outpouring since the last debate of women who have accused Trump of sexual misconduct or assault. (He denies all the claims.) Here is a video telling their stories:
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Confirmed: Wayne Newton is coming.Confirmed: Wayne Newton is coming.
Our #debate2016 guests tonight include Marcus Luttrell, Pat Smith, and the legendary Wayne Newton.Our #debate2016 guests tonight include Marcus Luttrell, Pat Smith, and the legendary Wayne Newton.
Speaking of legendary Las Vegas acts... did anyone think to invite Britney?Speaking of legendary Las Vegas acts... did anyone think to invite Britney?
Doesn’t matter. She’s busy in another part of town:Doesn’t matter. She’s busy in another part of town:
Tonight. #PieceOfMe is back. I. Can’t. Wait!!! Missed you, Vegas! pic.twitter.com/MQo0bDghX2Tonight. #PieceOfMe is back. I. Can’t. Wait!!! Missed you, Vegas! pic.twitter.com/MQo0bDghX2
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Hope amidst ugliness: the outcry from menHope amidst ugliness: the outcry from men
Jessica ValentiJessica Valenti
Every day it becomes clearer that Hillary Clinton is going to make history and win the presidential election. It’s hard to feel excited or even relieved, though, when her road to victory is so slick with the odium of Donald Trump.Every day it becomes clearer that Hillary Clinton is going to make history and win the presidential election. It’s hard to feel excited or even relieved, though, when her road to victory is so slick with the odium of Donald Trump.
Between the video of Trump bragging about sexual assault and woman after woman coming forward to claim he did just that, it’s hard to stave off that sick-to-your-stomach feeling Michelle Obama described so powerfully last week. For those of us who have endured a lifetime of unwanted leers and touches, this last leg of the campaign has been painful. And as Trump surrogates and supporters –even his wife – continue to shrug off the offenses as “locker room talk” or outright lies, we’re reminded of just how easily women are disbelieved.Between the video of Trump bragging about sexual assault and woman after woman coming forward to claim he did just that, it’s hard to stave off that sick-to-your-stomach feeling Michelle Obama described so powerfully last week. For those of us who have endured a lifetime of unwanted leers and touches, this last leg of the campaign has been painful. And as Trump surrogates and supporters –even his wife – continue to shrug off the offenses as “locker room talk” or outright lies, we’re reminded of just how easily women are disbelieved.
There is one thing, though, that’s giving me hope in the midst of this ugliness: the outcry from men who refuse to characterize sexual harassment and abuse as normal male behavior. Too often, discussions about sexual assault center only on women – our victimization and perceived culpability. Since the tape’s release, though, the national conversation has shifted: men are coming forward en masse to reject the idea that “real men” talk about abusing women – that this is normal language to use in a locker room or anywhere else.There is one thing, though, that’s giving me hope in the midst of this ugliness: the outcry from men who refuse to characterize sexual harassment and abuse as normal male behavior. Too often, discussions about sexual assault center only on women – our victimization and perceived culpability. Since the tape’s release, though, the national conversation has shifted: men are coming forward en masse to reject the idea that “real men” talk about abusing women – that this is normal language to use in a locker room or anywhere else.
Read further:Read further:
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About 126.9m votes were cast in the 2012 presidential election. It’s started:About 126.9m votes were cast in the 2012 presidential election. It’s started:
As this evening's debate approaches: at least 2.3 million people have already votedAs this evening's debate approaches: at least 2.3 million people have already voted
This guy! https://t.co/kN6T2eNz11This guy! https://t.co/kN6T2eNz11
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Trump campaign manager Kellyanne Conway is proud to be joined at the debate by Malik Obama, the president’s half-brother:
Malik Obama and I hanging post-debate prep today. He told me why he is a Republican and voting for @realDonaldTrump pic.twitter.com/sAGXDj4GHg
Washington Post editor and Obama biographer David Maraniss has more on Malik Obama:
As Obama biographer, I dealt with many Kenyan relatives. Now Trumpster Malik by far the least reliable, consumed with pub & money.
3) He has gone by 32 names during his life. Roy, Bobby, and finally Malik.
8) By the time Barack Obama reached global fame, Malik wanted to be his Kenyan spokesman, setting up shop in Kisumu and Kogelo.
9) At one point, and I’m sure Trump would love thi about his newfound friend, Malik tried to build a mosque on the Obama compound in Kogelo.
10) By the time I reached Kenya to research biography, Malik wanted to control all interviews and get paid for them.
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A new Pew research survey finds that “more than seven in ten (72%) white evangelical Protestants say an elected official can behave ethically even if they have committed transgressions in their personal life—a 42-point jump from 2011, when only 30 % of white evangelical Protestants said the same.”
What changed? And does this even count as a voting bloc anymore, if the whole “family values” thing has been jettisoned?
White evangelicals have jumped 42 pts (!) in accepting politicians' immoral personal acts: 30% (2011) to 72% (2016) https://t.co/VHqP8r5BU0 pic.twitter.com/ohhWsXt5b0
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The Cleveland Indians (that’s baseball) have just won the pennant and are headed to the World Series. The governor noticed:
Amazing! Four wins away from a second Cleveland championship in 2016. All of Ohio, let's #RallyTogether for the World Series. @Indians pic.twitter.com/Z9uUGaanQd
You’ll recall that the Cleveland Cavaliers (basketball) are the current NBA champions, and when they won the city did this:
Other awesome things to have occurred this year in Cleveland:
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We know what you’re all thinking. Where’s the vacuuming picture? When are we going to post the pre-debate vacuuming picture?
Additional photojournalism from the scene:
Fun fact – Trump is entirely out of the casino business, and he has never owned a Las Vegas casino, although he’s in talks to build one, the Wall Street Journal reported in February:
Mr. Trump owned casinos in Atlantic City for decades but never had any gambling interests in Nevada. The casinos he developed and owned in Atlantic City went through bankruptcy four times. He no longer has any interest them.
The Trump hotel in Las Vegas is near the northern end of the Las Vegas Strip. It is across from the Wynn Las Vegas, but the rest of the surrounding area is largely underdeveloped because several large-scale projects stopped when they were only partially built during the recession. Now with the casino market in Las Vegas improving, some of the projects have new owners and may be moving forward. Gambling revenue on the Las Vegas Strip was flat last year, but revenue from hotel room rates improved.
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She’s with her.
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Palin to attend debate - report
Former vice-presidential hopeful Sarah Palin, also a former governor of Alaska and former Fox News contractor, will attend tonight’s debate as a guest of Donald Trump, CNN reports.
Is this a great opportunity to revisit Palin’s historic on-camera endorsement of Trump in January? Can I get a hallelujah?
Trump also has invited Malik Obama, an estranged half-brother of the president with possible Hamas ties; Pat Smith, the mother of a state department IT technician killed in the 2012 attacks in Benghazi; Leslie Millwee, a former TV reporter from Arkansas who has accused former president Bill Clinton of sexually assaulting her; and somebody even at some point said Wayne Newton was coming?
1) Some basic facts about Malik Obama, who will be at the presidential debate as guest of Donald Trump in Las Vegas tonight.
Hillary Clinton’s guests are by comparison topical and boring. She has invited Meg Whitman, Hewlett-Packard CEO and erstwhile Republican; Astrid Silva, the immigration activist; Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Kareem Abdul Jabbar; and Mark Cuban, billionaire owner of Dallas Mavericks-slash-bee in Trump’s bonnet. Oh and Le-yawn Panetta.
Cant wait to give a big hug to my bestie @realDonaldTrump at the debate tomorrow night. I know you miss me !
Also all these people, attending with Clinton:
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Reminder: As ugly as things get onstage tonight, tomorrow night these people have to eat next to one another.
Trump and Clinton have both said they’ll attend the annual Al Smith dinner Thursday night, “the white-tie Manhattan ritual that drops like an Alka Seltzer every four years, as the race for the White House enters a stage of maximum partisan discomfort,” we said in 2012.
The candidates don formal attire and sit with the archbishop between them, and each must rise and deliver a comedic monologue. Awkward!
Hosted by the archbishop of New York, the dinner promotes itself as a light-hearted break from the campaign trail. In fact it’s a duty to which presidential nominees have docilely submitted since 1960, except when the whiff of controversy, usually over abortion, has made it politically inconvenient for the Catholic Church to invite them.
Here are 2012 highlights:
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Can Trump win without New Hampshire?
A new University of New Hampshire poll has Trump down 15 (fifteen) points in the state, where he notched a 20-point victory in February in a solid six-way primary contest. The National Journal’s Josh Kraushaar notes that the poll squares with reports earlier this week that internal Republican polling had Trump down 14 points in the state.
New Hampshire poll(UNH)Clinton 48Trump 33Johnson 7Stein 2other 4Don't know 5#nhpolitics
Does Trump even have a path to victory any longer? “No,” thinks Stuart Rothenberg, author of the eponymous politics report.
Let’s take a quick look at why. Here’s a picture of what was thought to be Trump’s path of least resistance to the presidency, involving a scenario that gets him right to 270, barely, with victory in Maine’s second district and in four or five states where Clinton currently holds solid polling leads.
Take New Hampshire out of this picture, and how does Trump win? A new Monmouth poll today had Clinton up seven points in Wisconsin. Trump claims to be in the lead in Colorado, where polling averages have him down five. Etc, etc.
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Mike Pence is “wheels down in Las Vegas!” and steps off the plane looking very vice presidential. That’s his wife, Karen, beside him.
We're wheels down in Las Vegas! Ready to cheer on @realDonaldTrump tonight as he takes the stage to fight for you, America. pic.twitter.com/W6do1fprSV
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The band Le Tigre has reassembled and released a track called “I’m with her” in support of Hillary Clinton:
For the sake of balance here also is a Donald Trump song discovered quickly and at random on YouTube: