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The final presidential debate – as it happened | |
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The third and final presidential debate of the 2016 election cycle is in the can. Here’s what happened: | The third and final presidential debate of the 2016 election cycle is in the can. Here’s what happened: |
@lucia_graves @guardian Trump lied and lied again. He says he doesn't know any of the women. Well, he definitely knew me. I told the truth | @lucia_graves @guardian Trump lied and lied again. He says he doesn't know any of the women. Well, he definitely knew me. I told the truth |
SUCH A NASTY WOMAN #suchanastywoman pic.twitter.com/csWXsvvtGG | SUCH A NASTY WOMAN #suchanastywoman pic.twitter.com/csWXsvvtGG |
Trump: "We have some bad hombres here and we are going to get 'em out" | Trump: "We have some bad hombres here and we are going to get 'em out" |
For the first time, the madness of Trump's ideas rather than the madness of his manner are taking centre stage at tonight's debate. | For the first time, the madness of Trump's ideas rather than the madness of his manner are taking centre stage at tonight's debate. |
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Nicky Woolf | Nicky Woolf |
In a brief but jarringly vicious aside towards the end of the debate, Trump leaned in to the microphone to call Clinton a “nasty woman”, slightly undermining his earlier assertion that “nobody has more respect for women than me” (a moment which, according to pollster Frank Luntz, did worse with his live focus group than any other in the debate for Trump). | In a brief but jarringly vicious aside towards the end of the debate, Trump leaned in to the microphone to call Clinton a “nasty woman”, slightly undermining his earlier assertion that “nobody has more respect for women than me” (a moment which, according to pollster Frank Luntz, did worse with his live focus group than any other in the debate for Trump). |
The response from Twitter was swift and merciless. | The response from Twitter was swift and merciless. |
2012: "I've got binders full of women."2016: "Such a nasty woman." | 2012: "I've got binders full of women."2016: "Such a nasty woman." |
Nasty Women 4 Her | Nasty Women 4 Her |
Nasty woman and proud of it! I hope all you nasty women join us in NYC and Denver to protest next week! https://t.co/HyzXL61zBw #nastywoman | Nasty woman and proud of it! I hope all you nasty women join us in NYC and Denver to protest next week! https://t.co/HyzXL61zBw #nastywoman |
RT if you're a #NastyWoman pic.twitter.com/I3mBfrv8lP | RT if you're a #NastyWoman pic.twitter.com/I3mBfrv8lP |
I can see the meme now. "It's Hillary...Mrs. Clinton if you're nasty." Apologies to Janet Jackson. #debatenight #Election2016 pic.twitter.com/tqcpo95g0l | I can see the meme now. "It's Hillary...Mrs. Clinton if you're nasty." Apologies to Janet Jackson. #debatenight #Election2016 pic.twitter.com/tqcpo95g0l |
Many users even changed their Twitter names: | Many users even changed their Twitter names: |
I'm just gonna leave this here. #nastywoman #debate pic.twitter.com/FRyl8XLfc0 | I'm just gonna leave this here. #nastywoman #debate pic.twitter.com/FRyl8XLfc0 |
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The chair of the national party joins the crowd rebutting Trump on accepting the election result: | The chair of the national party joins the crowd rebutting Trump on accepting the election result: |
RNC Chair Reince Priebus says Trump WILL accept the results of the election | RNC Chair Reince Priebus says Trump WILL accept the results of the election |
Trump himself pointedly refused -- twice -- to commit to doing so. https://t.co/PvPe4vpg9R | Trump himself pointedly refused -- twice -- to commit to doing so. https://t.co/PvPe4vpg9R |
Trump/RNC surrogates: "Who you gonna believe, me or the candidate you just watched on stage?" | Trump/RNC surrogates: "Who you gonna believe, me or the candidate you just watched on stage?" |
VIDEO: Donald Trump refuses to say he will accept election results https://t.co/Cvnf87AE6Z | VIDEO: Donald Trump refuses to say he will accept election results https://t.co/Cvnf87AE6Z |
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Palin: accept election results 'if they're legit' | Palin: accept election results 'if they're legit' |
Here now is Sarah Palin, in the spin room, looking a bit cornered but firing away. She’s asked about accepting the results of the election. “If they’re legit results then of course they’ll be accepted,” she says. | Here now is Sarah Palin, in the spin room, looking a bit cornered but firing away. She’s asked about accepting the results of the election. “If they’re legit results then of course they’ll be accepted,” she says. |
Palin says Trump will accept election results if they are "legit results" pic.twitter.com/9fvzz5zLBC | Palin says Trump will accept election results if they are "legit results" pic.twitter.com/9fvzz5zLBC |
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“Such a nasty woman” | “Such a nasty woman” |
I just want some respect (That's right) #debate #nasty https://t.co/fhd60FtpcZ | I just want some respect (That's right) #debate #nasty https://t.co/fhd60FtpcZ |
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Sessions: contesting an election gratuitously 'would be wrong' | Sessions: contesting an election gratuitously 'would be wrong' |
This from Alabama senator Jeff Sessions, Trump’s most stalwart backer in the senate, who we can’t remember ever having disagreed significantly with the candidate to this point: | This from Alabama senator Jeff Sessions, Trump’s most stalwart backer in the senate, who we can’t remember ever having disagreed significantly with the candidate to this point: |
Jeff Sessions in spin room: "It would be wrong for a candidate to contest an election for light and transient reasons." | Jeff Sessions in spin room: "It would be wrong for a candidate to contest an election for light and transient reasons." |
Trump, enemy of democracy:1) My opponent shouldn't be allowed to run2) If I lose, I may dispute outcome3) If I win, she will go to jail. | Trump, enemy of democracy:1) My opponent shouldn't be allowed to run2) If I lose, I may dispute outcome3) If I win, she will go to jail. |
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Two Republican senators have condemned Trump’s refusal to say he will accept the result of the election. Arizona’s Jeff Flake (see earlier) and now Lindsey Graham of South Carolina: | Two Republican senators have condemned Trump’s refusal to say he will accept the result of the election. Arizona’s Jeff Flake (see earlier) and now Lindsey Graham of South Carolina: |
My thoughts on a 'rigged' presidential election. pic.twitter.com/075n83NXMH | My thoughts on a 'rigged' presidential election. pic.twitter.com/075n83NXMH |
Your move, Paul Ryan/ Mitch McConnell. https://t.co/d0kIgIfLcw | Your move, Paul Ryan/ Mitch McConnell. https://t.co/d0kIgIfLcw |
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That was really exciting. Made all of my points. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! | That was really exciting. Made all of my points. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! |
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Trump has departed the debate venue, his campaign tells his assigned media pool. | Trump has departed the debate venue, his campaign tells his assigned media pool. |
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Easy for her to say. | Easy for her to say. |
The Emmys are NOT rigged. @VeepHBO @HillaryClinton @realDonaldTrump #debatenight | The Emmys are NOT rigged. @VeepHBO @HillaryClinton @realDonaldTrump #debatenight |
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Reactions II | Reactions II |
@DouthatNYT it's all a big show for him | @DouthatNYT it's all a big show for him |
.@realDonaldTrump to @HillaryClinton: "Such a nasty woman" pic.twitter.com/3RsCYd7Abp | .@realDonaldTrump to @HillaryClinton: "Such a nasty woman" pic.twitter.com/3RsCYd7Abp |
SUCH A NASTY WOMAN #suchanastywoman pic.twitter.com/csWXsvvtGG | SUCH A NASTY WOMAN #suchanastywoman pic.twitter.com/csWXsvvtGG |
So "the element of surprise" is Trump's approach to both ISIS and American democracy I guess. | So "the element of surprise" is Trump's approach to both ISIS and American democracy I guess. |
The candidate who already is eight points behind just suffere a devastating final debate. #DebateNight | The candidate who already is eight points behind just suffere a devastating final debate. #DebateNight |
If Donald Trump wins will he accept the results of this election? | If Donald Trump wins will he accept the results of this election? |
.@realDonaldTrump saying that he might not accept election results is beyond the pale | .@realDonaldTrump saying that he might not accept election results is beyond the pale |
Says @VanJones68: "You can't polish this turd" @AC360 responds: "Technically, you can't polish any turd." #Debate | Says @VanJones68: "You can't polish this turd" @AC360 responds: "Technically, you can't polish any turd." #Debate |
20 days left. Let's win this.Make your custom video to show the world why you believe that #LoveTrumpsHate: https://t.co/QQBKlxyU4D | 20 days left. Let's win this.Make your custom video to show the world why you believe that #LoveTrumpsHate: https://t.co/QQBKlxyU4D |
(Warning: Donald Trump Jr trigger alert): | (Warning: Donald Trump Jr trigger alert): |
Join my team over on my Facebook page- live now! #Debateshttps://t.co/vpDVQfO58A pic.twitter.com/5v1tWzHrxq | Join my team over on my Facebook page- live now! #Debateshttps://t.co/vpDVQfO58A pic.twitter.com/5v1tWzHrxq |
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Lawyer Gloria Allred announces that a “woman who accuses Donald Trump of victimizing her with inappropriate sexual conduct will hold a press conference tomorrow”: | Lawyer Gloria Allred announces that a “woman who accuses Donald Trump of victimizing her with inappropriate sexual conduct will hold a press conference tomorrow”: |
BRK: Gloria Allred announces a new Trump sexual assault victim will come forward on Thursday. #debate pic.twitter.com/9RdemgnNHr | BRK: Gloria Allred announces a new Trump sexual assault victim will come forward on Thursday. #debate pic.twitter.com/9RdemgnNHr |
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Reactions I | Reactions I |
The five words that matter most in this debate: "I'll keep you in suspense." | The five words that matter most in this debate: "I'll keep you in suspense." |
nothing in this debate, nothing in this campaign, nothing in this country matters as much as Trump rejecting USA's 240 year democratic order | nothing in this debate, nothing in this campaign, nothing in this country matters as much as Trump rejecting USA's 240 year democratic order |
"You are such a nasty man"—Something Hillary could never, in a thousand years, say on a stage. | "You are such a nasty man"—Something Hillary could never, in a thousand years, say on a stage. |
Palin at her most rogue held it together 10x better than this overboiled carrot. | Palin at her most rogue held it together 10x better than this overboiled carrot. |
Now Kellyanne Conway tells @DanaBashCNN that Trump "will accept the results" of the election. Says Trump will win. | Now Kellyanne Conway tells @DanaBashCNN that Trump "will accept the results" of the election. Says Trump will win. |
God @KellyannePolls has just an impossible job. | God @KellyannePolls has just an impossible job. |
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#ff | #ff |
Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump do not shake hands after the debate. | Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump do not shake hands after the debate. |
It's the longest possible time until we have to sit through another presidential debate.Savor this moment, America. pic.twitter.com/EM9tDAxGzh | It's the longest possible time until we have to sit through another presidential debate.Savor this moment, America. pic.twitter.com/EM9tDAxGzh |
The debates will end with not a single question asked about climate change. | The debates will end with not a single question asked about climate change. |
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Here are the top three tweeted moments of the debate according to Twitter: | Here are the top three tweeted moments of the debate according to Twitter: |
Top 3 tweeted moments of the debate via Twitter pic.twitter.com/ppTOPyx3BX | Top 3 tweeted moments of the debate via Twitter pic.twitter.com/ppTOPyx3BX |
And check out the top most-retweeted tweet of the night: | And check out the top most-retweeted tweet of the night: |
Do you think Putin will be going to The Miss Universe Pageant in November in Moscow - if so, will he become my new best friend? | Do you think Putin will be going to The Miss Universe Pageant in November in Moscow - if so, will he become my new best friend? |
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Fact check: healthcare, vets and 'inner cities' | Fact check: healthcare, vets and 'inner cities' |
Alan Yuhas | Alan Yuhas |
Trump: “Next week [the healthcare premiums] are going to go up 100%” | Trump: “Next week [the healthcare premiums] are going to go up 100%” |
Trump and Clinton both accept the reality that healthcare premiums have increased since the Affordable Care Act was enacted, but Trump appears to be exaggerating wildly. On average, premiums have risen by about 5.8% a year since Barack Obama took office, compared with 13.2% in the nine years before Obama, Politifact found earlier this year. Trump, however, is cherry-picking data from various states and providers where rates have had higher jumps. The most common healthcare plans will increase 9% on average, according to an analysis by the Kaiser Family Foundation. | Trump and Clinton both accept the reality that healthcare premiums have increased since the Affordable Care Act was enacted, but Trump appears to be exaggerating wildly. On average, premiums have risen by about 5.8% a year since Barack Obama took office, compared with 13.2% in the nine years before Obama, Politifact found earlier this year. Trump, however, is cherry-picking data from various states and providers where rates have had higher jumps. The most common healthcare plans will increase 9% on average, according to an analysis by the Kaiser Family Foundation. |
Trump: “We take care of illegal immigrants … better than we take care of our vets” | Trump: “We take care of illegal immigrants … better than we take care of our vets” |
This claim flies in the face of evidence and logic. Like all US citizens, veterans enjoy the basic rights and benefits granted by US law (voting rights, social security, Medicaid, etc), while undocumented migrants (noncitizens) do not. Trump has in the past tried to justify this claim by saying the US spends more on undocumented people than on veterans, but has drawn a $113bn price tag from an explicitly anti-immigration foundation. He also inflated that number. | This claim flies in the face of evidence and logic. Like all US citizens, veterans enjoy the basic rights and benefits granted by US law (voting rights, social security, Medicaid, etc), while undocumented migrants (noncitizens) do not. Trump has in the past tried to justify this claim by saying the US spends more on undocumented people than on veterans, but has drawn a $113bn price tag from an explicitly anti-immigration foundation. He also inflated that number. |
The campaign has said the US spends $2.8bn on housing migrants in prisons, combining an estimate on prison costs and the 2016 budget for the care and processing of children who came to the US without adults. The Veterans Affairs administration has a 2016 budget of $69.7bn. Veterans and undocumented migrants alike have access to K-12 education, though few veterans would likely seek it, and veterans have access to the Affordable Care Act, military benefits and health benefits, while migrants do not. | The campaign has said the US spends $2.8bn on housing migrants in prisons, combining an estimate on prison costs and the 2016 budget for the care and processing of children who came to the US without adults. The Veterans Affairs administration has a 2016 budget of $69.7bn. Veterans and undocumented migrants alike have access to K-12 education, though few veterans would likely seek it, and veterans have access to the Affordable Care Act, military benefits and health benefits, while migrants do not. |
Trump: “Our inner cities are a disaster. You get shot walking to the store, you have no education, no jobs” | Trump: “Our inner cities are a disaster. You get shot walking to the store, you have no education, no jobs” |
Trump’s repeated claim that “African Americans, Hispanics, are living in hell” defies most of American history, from antebellum slavery through the Jim Crow decades, great depression and segregation. Even if Trump is only referring the past half century, he is still wrong by most metrics. | Trump’s repeated claim that “African Americans, Hispanics, are living in hell” defies most of American history, from antebellum slavery through the Jim Crow decades, great depression and segregation. Even if Trump is only referring the past half century, he is still wrong by most metrics. |
Data on employment, education and health show empirical evidence for the persistent reality of discrimination against black Americans, but also show major gains in the last few decades. In 2015, black people earned just 75% as much as whites in median hourly earnings, whether full- or part-time, according to a Pew Research analysis. The black unemployment rate in August 2016 was 8.1%, compared with 4.4% for white people, but still lower than for most of the last 40 years. Black life expectancy has increased from the mid-30s around 1900 to the mid-70s in 2016, according to the CDC. Education rates have similarly increased in the last 40 years, according to the census. | Data on employment, education and health show empirical evidence for the persistent reality of discrimination against black Americans, but also show major gains in the last few decades. In 2015, black people earned just 75% as much as whites in median hourly earnings, whether full- or part-time, according to a Pew Research analysis. The black unemployment rate in August 2016 was 8.1%, compared with 4.4% for white people, but still lower than for most of the last 40 years. Black life expectancy has increased from the mid-30s around 1900 to the mid-70s in 2016, according to the CDC. Education rates have similarly increased in the last 40 years, according to the census. |
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Who won? What was the headline? Trump saying he would keep the country in suspense as to whether he will accept the election result? What was that? | Who won? What was the headline? Trump saying he would keep the country in suspense as to whether he will accept the election result? What was that? |