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Presidential debate: Trump refuses to say if he will accept election result – live Presidential debate: Trump refuses to say if he will accept election result – live
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The chair of the national party joins the crowd rebutting Trump on accepting the election result:
RNC Chair Reince Priebus says Trump WILL accept the results of the election
Trump himself pointedly refused -- twice -- to commit to doing so. https://t.co/PvPe4vpg9R
Trump/RNC surrogates: "Who you gonna believe, me or the candidate you just watched on stage?"
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Palin: accept election results 'if they're legit'
Here now is Sarah Palin, in the spin room, looking a bit cornered but firing away. She’s asked about accepting the results of the election. “If they’re legit results then of course they’ll be accepted,” she says.
Palin says Trump will accept election results if they are "legit results" pic.twitter.com/9fvzz5zLBC
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“Such a nasty woman”
I just want some respect (That's right) #debate #nasty https://t.co/fhd60FtpcZ
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Sessions: contesting an election gratuitously 'would be wrong'
This from Alabama senator Jeff Sessions, Trump’s most stalwart backer in the senate, who we can’t remember ever having disagreed significantly with the candidate to this point:
Jeff Sessions in spin room: "It would be wrong for a candidate to contest an election for light and transient reasons."
Trump, enemy of democracy:1) My opponent shouldn't be allowed to run2) If I lose, I may dispute outcome3) If I win, she will go to jail.
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Two Republican senators have condemned Trump’s refusal to say he will accept the result of the election. Arizona’s Jeff Flake (see earlier) and now Lindsey Graham of South Carolina:
My thoughts on a 'rigged' presidential election. pic.twitter.com/075n83NXMH
Your move, Paul Ryan/ Mitch McConnell. https://t.co/d0kIgIfLcw
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That was really exciting. Made all of my points. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!
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Trump has departed the debate venue, his campaign tells his assigned media pool.
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Easy for her to say.
The Emmys are NOT rigged. @VeepHBO @HillaryClinton @realDonaldTrump #debatenight
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Reactions II
@DouthatNYT it's all a big show for him
.@realDonaldTrump to @HillaryClinton: "Such a nasty woman" pic.twitter.com/3RsCYd7Abp
SUCH A NASTY WOMAN #suchanastywoman pic.twitter.com/csWXsvvtGG
So "the element of surprise" is Trump's approach to both ISIS and American democracy I guess.
The candidate who already is eight points behind just suffere a devastating final debate. #DebateNight
If Donald Trump wins will he accept the results of this election?
.@realDonaldTrump saying that he might not accept election results is beyond the pale
Says @VanJones68: "You can't polish this turd" @AC360 responds: "Technically, you can't polish any turd." #Debate
20 days left. Let's win this.Make your custom video to show the world why you believe that #LoveTrumpsHate: https://t.co/QQBKlxyU4D
(Warning: Donald Trump Jr trigger alert):
Join my team over on my Facebook page- live now! #Debateshttps://t.co/vpDVQfO58A pic.twitter.com/5v1tWzHrxq
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Lawyer Gloria Allred announces that a “woman who accuses Donald Trump of victimizing her with inappropriate sexual conduct will hold a press conference tomorrow”:
BRK: Gloria Allred announces a new Trump sexual assault victim will come forward on Thursday. #debate pic.twitter.com/9RdemgnNHr
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Reactions I
The five words that matter most in this debate: "I'll keep you in suspense."
nothing in this debate, nothing in this campaign, nothing in this country matters as much as Trump rejecting USA's 240 year democratic order
"You are such a nasty man"—Something Hillary could never, in a thousand years, say on a stage.
Palin at her most rogue held it together 10x better than this overboiled carrot.
Now Kellyanne Conway tells @DanaBashCNN that Trump "will accept the results" of the election. Says Trump will win.
God @KellyannePolls has just an impossible job.
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#ff#ff
Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump do not shake hands after the debate.Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump do not shake hands after the debate.
It's the longest possible time until we have to sit through another presidential debate.Savor this moment, America. pic.twitter.com/EM9tDAxGzhIt's the longest possible time until we have to sit through another presidential debate.Savor this moment, America. pic.twitter.com/EM9tDAxGzh
The debates will end with not a single question asked about climate change.The debates will end with not a single question asked about climate change.
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Here are the top three tweeted moments of the debate according to Twitter:Here are the top three tweeted moments of the debate according to Twitter:
Top 3 tweeted moments of the debate via Twitter pic.twitter.com/ppTOPyx3BXTop 3 tweeted moments of the debate via Twitter pic.twitter.com/ppTOPyx3BX
And check out the top most-retweeted tweet of the night:And check out the top most-retweeted tweet of the night:
Do you think Putin will be going to The Miss Universe Pageant in November in Moscow - if so, will he become my new best friend?Do you think Putin will be going to The Miss Universe Pageant in November in Moscow - if so, will he become my new best friend?
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Fact check: healthcare, vets and 'inner cities'Fact check: healthcare, vets and 'inner cities'
Alan YuhasAlan Yuhas
Trump: “Next week [the healthcare premiums] are going to go up 100%”Trump: “Next week [the healthcare premiums] are going to go up 100%”
Trump and Clinton both accept the reality that healthcare premiums have increased since the Affordable Care Act was enacted, but Trump appears to be exaggerating wildly. On average, premiums have risen by about 5.8% a year since Barack Obama took office, compared with 13.2% in the nine years before Obama, Politifact found earlier this year. Trump, however, is cherry-picking data from various states and providers where rates have had higher jumps. The most common healthcare plans will increase 9% on average, according to an analysis by the Kaiser Family Foundation.Trump and Clinton both accept the reality that healthcare premiums have increased since the Affordable Care Act was enacted, but Trump appears to be exaggerating wildly. On average, premiums have risen by about 5.8% a year since Barack Obama took office, compared with 13.2% in the nine years before Obama, Politifact found earlier this year. Trump, however, is cherry-picking data from various states and providers where rates have had higher jumps. The most common healthcare plans will increase 9% on average, according to an analysis by the Kaiser Family Foundation.
Trump: “We take care of illegal immigrants … better than we take care of our vets”Trump: “We take care of illegal immigrants … better than we take care of our vets”
This claim flies in the face of evidence and logic. Like all US citizens, veterans enjoy the basic rights and benefits granted by US law (voting rights, social security, Medicaid, etc), while undocumented migrants (noncitizens) do not. Trump has in the past tried to justify this claim by saying the US spends more on undocumented people than on veterans, but has drawn a $113bn price tag from an explicitly anti-immigration foundation. He also inflated that number.This claim flies in the face of evidence and logic. Like all US citizens, veterans enjoy the basic rights and benefits granted by US law (voting rights, social security, Medicaid, etc), while undocumented migrants (noncitizens) do not. Trump has in the past tried to justify this claim by saying the US spends more on undocumented people than on veterans, but has drawn a $113bn price tag from an explicitly anti-immigration foundation. He also inflated that number.
The campaign has said the US spends $2.8bn on housing migrants in prisons, combining an estimate on prison costs and the 2016 budget for the care and processing of children who came to the US without adults. The Veterans Affairs administration has a 2016 budget of $69.7bn. Veterans and undocumented migrants alike have access to K-12 education, though few veterans would likely seek it, and veterans have access to the Affordable Care Act, military benefits and health benefits, while migrants do not.The campaign has said the US spends $2.8bn on housing migrants in prisons, combining an estimate on prison costs and the 2016 budget for the care and processing of children who came to the US without adults. The Veterans Affairs administration has a 2016 budget of $69.7bn. Veterans and undocumented migrants alike have access to K-12 education, though few veterans would likely seek it, and veterans have access to the Affordable Care Act, military benefits and health benefits, while migrants do not.
Trump: “Our inner cities are a disaster. You get shot walking to the store, you have no education, no jobs”Trump: “Our inner cities are a disaster. You get shot walking to the store, you have no education, no jobs”
Trump’s repeated claim that “African Americans, Hispanics, are living in hell” defies most of American history, from antebellum slavery through the Jim Crow decades, great depression and segregation. Even if Trump is only referring the past half century, he is still wrong by most metrics.Trump’s repeated claim that “African Americans, Hispanics, are living in hell” defies most of American history, from antebellum slavery through the Jim Crow decades, great depression and segregation. Even if Trump is only referring the past half century, he is still wrong by most metrics.
Data on employment, education and health show empirical evidence for the persistent reality of discrimination against black Americans, but also show major gains in the last few decades. In 2015, black people earned just 75% as much as whites in median hourly earnings, whether full- or part-time, according to a Pew Research analysis. The black unemployment rate in August 2016 was 8.1%, compared with 4.4% for white people, but still lower than for most of the last 40 years. Black life expectancy has increased from the mid-30s around 1900 to the mid-70s in 2016, according to the CDC. Education rates have similarly increased in the last 40 years, according to the census.Data on employment, education and health show empirical evidence for the persistent reality of discrimination against black Americans, but also show major gains in the last few decades. In 2015, black people earned just 75% as much as whites in median hourly earnings, whether full- or part-time, according to a Pew Research analysis. The black unemployment rate in August 2016 was 8.1%, compared with 4.4% for white people, but still lower than for most of the last 40 years. Black life expectancy has increased from the mid-30s around 1900 to the mid-70s in 2016, according to the CDC. Education rates have similarly increased in the last 40 years, according to the census.
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Who won? What was the headline? Trump saying he would keep the country in suspense as to whether he will accept the election result? What was that?Who won? What was the headline? Trump saying he would keep the country in suspense as to whether he will accept the election result? What was that?
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Watch our post-debate panel
Our post-debate panel is starting now – it’s live! Join WNYC and the Guardian US live from Tumblr headquarters as we discuss the final presidential debate.
Moderator: Nicholas Thompson, editor of NewYorker.com
Kai Wright, host of WNYC & The Nation’s United States of Anxiety Podcast
Jessica Valenti, Columnist at The Guardian
Tanzina Vega, National Reporter at CNN
Spencer Ackerman, Editor at The Guardian
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Closing statements
Wallace: Let’s end this nicely. Closing statements. One minute, go.
Clinton: I’m reaching out to all Americans because we need everybody. Let me speak directly to the camera. We need your talents. I’ve seen the presidency up close. Responsibility and opportunity. I have made the cause of children and families my life’s work. That will be my mission. Families against corporate interests. Give me a chance.
Trump: She’s raising the money from the people she wants to control. Doesn’t work that way. We’re going to make America great again. We have a depleted military. Take care of our veterans. Policemen and women disrespected. Inner cities.. shot walking to the store. All she’s done is talk to the African Americans and the Latinos. We are going to make America strong again... it has to start now. “We cannot take four more years of Barack Obama and that’s what you get when you get her.”
For some reason Clinton smiles broadly at that last line.
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Question for Trump: Would you raise taxes to save Medicaid and Medicare and Social Security?
Trump: We’ll cut taxes, grow economy, repeal and replace Obamacare. Presto. But she wants to make Obamacare even worse.
Clinton: We need to add to the social security trust fund by raising taxes on the wealthy. We want to...
Trump interrupts her: “Such a nasty woman.”
Clinton: “I will not cut benefits; I want to enhance benefits... I’ll say something about the ACA – [Obamacare] extended the solvency of the social security trust fund...”
warm take: Trump may have put a floor under his collapsing campaign with a calmer performance but feels too late and exposes policy instead.
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Fact check: jobs and drugs
Alan Yuhas
Trump: “Our country is stagnant. We’ve lost our jobs”
About 10.7 million people have gained jobs since Barack Obama took office in 2009 (not 15 million as the Clinton campaign sometimes claims). Growth is not stagnant, though it is not significant, and it requires context: the 2008 financial crisis that nearly collapsed the economy. According to a 2015 nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, the stimulus may have increased GDP buy up to 0.2 percentage points. US growth in the second quarter of 2016 was 1.4%.
Trump: “Their [the people of New Hampshire’s] single biggest problem is heroin that pours across our southern borders, just pouring and destroying their youth”
Trump is correct that heroin deaths have increased dramatically since 2007, in part because of the abuse of painkillers and the growth of a number of powerful heroin-related drugs, such as fentanyl. According to the DEA, 10,574 Americans died from heroin-related overdoses in 2014, more than three times the number in 2010.
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Trump admits disagreeing with Reagan on trade policy
Trump on the debt: I’m going to create a bunch of jobs and hit 6% growth with my “tremendous economic machine.” Protectionism. Trade barriers. “I’m going to create the kind of country that we were from the standpoint of industry.” Trade deals bad. He’s finishing strong. “We have the greatest business people in the world... we use political hacks.” “We have to use our great people.”
Will there be closing statements? This all seems to be ending so... irresolutely.
Clinton: When I hear Donald talk like that, “I wonder when he thought America was great.” He says before me and Obama. But “He has been criticizing our country for decades. In 1987 he took out a $100,000 ad in the New York Times, when Ronald Reagan was president, and said exactly what he said just now.”
Clinton: “If you look at the debt, I pay for everything I’m proposing... we’ll have what economists call middle-out growth... I want to invest in you, I want to invest in your family... he started off as a millionaire...
Trump can’t help himself: “We’ve heard this before.”
Trump: “I did disagree very strongly with Ronald Reagan.” (ooooh.) We should have had much tougher trade policy, he says.
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Now Wallace wants to talk about the national debt. Final segment.
Stay tuned for our post-debate panel! We’ll post a live feed as soon as we’re done talking dollars and cents.
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Mona Chalabi
Hillary Clinton urges viewers of the debate to Google “Donald Trump Iraq”. Apparently, a lot of people don’t need the nudge - US searches already spiked at the end of last month. They’re less interested in the former secretary of state’s relationship with the country.
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Now we’re on to a no-fly zone for Syria. Only a few minutes left here, fewer than 10. Clinton makes the important point that the millions of displaced inside and outside Syria need help.
“I am not going to let anyone into this country who is not vetted... but I am not going to slam the door on women and children... that picture of that little 4-year-old boy with blood coming down his face... that is haunting.”
Clinton says that the Pulse Nightclub shooter “was born in Queens, the same place Donald was born. Let’s be clear about the threat.”
Trump: “It’s so ridiculous. .. Wait one second... they had a ceasefire three weeks ago. And Russia took over vast swatches [sic] of land...” etc.
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